what is the worse assertion?

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Dale

2015-10-23 00:37:17 UTC

1) free will is incompatible with determinism, we are all philosophical
zombies, free will is an illusion

2) events without cause, randomness, are compatible with determinism,
because it is a good tool, regardless of whether determinism means
everything needs a cause and we are conflicting ourself in definition

3) limited will/spirit/essence plays a role in determinism, as per the
Copenhagen Interpretation

4) free will is free to include the illogical, only God(s) has free will
and ordain/determine all determinism and no indeterminates

5) free will is free to include the illogical, only God(s) has free will
and they ordain indeterminism as well as determinism

--
Dale
http://www.dalekelly.org

Jeanne Douglas

2015-10-23 01:15:34 UTC

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Post by Dale
1) free will is incompatible with determinism, we are all philosophical
zombies, free will is an illusion
2) events without cause, randomness, are compatible with determinism,
because it is a good tool, regardless of whether determinism means
everything needs a cause and we are conflicting ourself in definition
3) limited will/spirit/essence plays a role in determinism, as per the
Copenhagen Interpretation
4) free will is free to include the illogical, only God(s) has free will
and ordain/determine all determinism and no indeterminates
5) free will is free to include the illogical, only God(s) has free will
and they ordain indeterminism as well as determinism

What is true is that all of that is silly navel-gazing.

--
JD

Iâve officially given up trying to find the bottom
of the barrel that is Republican depravity.--Jidyom
Rosario, Addicting Info

The BORG

2015-10-24 14:31:57 UTC

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On Thu, 22 Oct 2015 18:15:34 -0700, Jeanne Douglas

Post by Jeanne Douglas

What is true is that all of that is silly navel-gazing.

See what we mean about women being rude.
She is one of the servants, and that is how she treats her Master.
It was that kind of rudenss and disrepsect toward Men that caused the
Fall from Paradise.
She is a classic case of a rude feminist women.
God certainly does not like them.

raven1

2015-10-23 10:14:55 UTC

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"Worse" by what metric?

Dale

2015-10-23 21:25:35 UTC

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Post by raven1

"Worse" by what metric?

centimeters

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Dale
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duke

2015-10-24 11:08:46 UTC

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Post by raven1

"Worse" by what metric?

Optic.

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b***@m.nu

2015-10-23 21:50:51 UTC

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the wors<t> dissertation would be the fact that anyone would ever ever
consider you to have any sort of intelligence

The BORG

2015-10-24 14:33:15 UTC

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Post by b***@m.nu

the wors<t> dissertation would be the fact that anyone would ever ever
consider you to have any sort of intelligence

On the contrary, his message is very ntelligent.
You merely prove your own lack of intelligence because you did not
recognize it.

b***@m.nu

2015-10-25 22:54:21 UTC

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Post by The BORG

Post by b***@m.nu

the wors<t> dissertation would be the fact that anyone would ever ever
consider you to have any sort of intelligence

On the contrary, his message is very ntelligent.
You merely prove your own lack of intelligence because you did not
recognize it.

and you are the onlyperson I have see on here that posts a new thread
, then you respond to yourself, then you respond to your own response
to yourself, then you respond to the reponse (that you posted), then
you respond to the response <that you posted> from the response <that
you posted> from the original post <that you posted>, then you respond
to thhe response in response to the response to the response to the
post all of wwhich that you posted...
So I ask you, What does that say about you?

Smiler

2015-10-26 18:51:13 UTC

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Post by The BORG

Post by b***@m.nu

Post by Dale
1) free will is incompatible with determinism, we are all
philosophical zombies, free will is an illusion
2) events without cause, randomness, are compatible with determinism,
because it is a good tool, regardless of whether determinism means
everything needs a cause and we are conflicting ourself in definition
3) limited will/spirit/essence plays a role in determinism, as per the
Copenhagen Interpretation
4) free will is free to include the illogical, only God(s) has free
will and ordain/determine all determinism and no indeterminates
5) free will is free to include the illogical, only God(s) has free
will and they ordain indeterminism as well as determinism

the wors<t> dissertation would be the fact that anyone would ever ever
consider you to have any sort of intelligence

On the contrary, his message is very ntelligent.
You merely prove your own lack of intelligence because you did not
recognize it.

and you are the onlyperson I have see on here that posts a new thread ,
then you respond to yourself, then you respond to your own response to
yourself, then you respond to the reponse (that you posted), then you
respond to the response <that you posted> from the response <that you
posted> from the original post <that you posted>, then you respond to
thhe response in response to the response to the response to the post
all of wwhich that you posted...
So I ask you, What does that say about you?

It says that he's a loon, as that's typical loon behaviour -- talking to
himself.

--
Smiler, The godless one.
aa #2279
Gods are all tailored to order. They are made
to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.

Street

2015-10-24 15:01:34 UTC

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You listed five, not two.

The BORG

2015-10-24 17:56:55 UTC

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All people have to live with determinism as all that they do is known.
People are very predictable and the future can be known because people
are very predictable.
People do have Free Will within that determinsm, in other words they
could do something surprising or different, but they never do, because
people are very predictable.
So the Future is known.
And that means Destiny is known.

There is nothing random in the Universe.
There is a Plan and Design for everyone.
Some Plans may be very Long Term, but they can be arranged around the
people because people are all very predictable. And it is known what
they will do or say in any situation.

When you have known people for hundreds of thousands and millions of
years, then people do become totally known to you.
There is nothng they could do that would surprise you.
Be it goor or bad, it is still not surprising.

The BORG

2015-10-24 18:01:57 UTC

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Even the precise moment that someone will do something is known.
Their likes and dislikes, whether they will buy something they see in
a shop window.
How much food they will eat and what they will eat and how they will
eat it.
Everything about people is Known.
People have to live with the fact that every moment of their lives was
known long before they were even born, because they were already known
long before they were born into their current life.

Every word of these Messages is known.
Every person who is here reading these Messages was put there, it was
not random.

The BORG

2015-10-24 18:30:10 UTC

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You may think
"Well that would require a lot of Intelligence to know every person on
Earth and arrange their lives and destinies right down to the smallest
detail"

Well of COURSE IT DOES!

Could you do it?
Could you Create Earth?
Could you Create Heaven or Paradise?
Could you command and control Nature?

Could you make things agree with Science and not the other way round
so that Scientists PROVE nothing?

When they measured things we made Creation agree with their
measurement because you cannot measure distance.
When they timed things we made Time agree with their Time as you
cannot measure Time.
We can make light go at any speed we want.
And when they decided Earth was a globe we made it seem like a globe
when it had of course been flat.
So what did they prove?
A World without End full of Diveristy and Interest?
Or their own dull, boring, scientific view?
If they proved England was larger than America then it would have
been.
Scientists did not prove anything.
What there was, was altered to agree with what they "thought" they'd
proved.
So how do you like our ugly, empty Universe, full of globes similar to
Earth, did the Scientists prove that as well?

It was much nicer when it was Flat, and it still is you know.
Oh yes, we do get our people all the right way up thank you.
We do not have half our people upside down and going round and round
the way Science thinks!!!!

They are all the right way up and they do not go round and round.

Do you know the Truth at any point in Time?

Could you have Power over time to make one minute on Earth be 30 days
or even 30 years somewhere else?

All those things are possible.

We can do them.

Every word in every book, every note on every CD, every building every
moment that people live is known.

Ever noticed that matter changes?
Ever noticed the book was not the same, the movie was different, the
building was bigger/smaller, the image has altered and how some things
"appear out of nowhere"?

Things do not "just happen" - and synchronicity is by Design.