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HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
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Emmett Till
2012-07-10 13:35:15 UTC
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HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?


Sylvia Else
2012-07-10 13:44:59 UTC
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Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
You can even see part of the supporting frame.

Sylvia.
Waldo Tunnel
2012-07-10 13:50:04 UTC
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Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
Bill O'Reilly.
Waldo Tunnel
2012-07-10 19:32:44 UTC
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Why in the fuck do supposedly rational atheists respond to Mr. Till as
if he were serious?
Mike Lovell
2012-07-10 19:34:09 UTC
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Why in the fuck do supposedly rational atheists respond to Mr. Till as
if he were serious?
Satire-radar malfunction?
Bob Casanova
2012-07-11 17:23:45 UTC
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Why in the fuck do supposedly rational atheists respond to Mr. Till as
if he were serious?
Satire-radar malfunction?
To provide contrast, perhaps?

And what makes you think he's posting satire, since it's
nearly impossible, absent other evidence, to distinguish
satire, or a well-crafted Loki post, from an actual loon?
--
Bob C.

"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
Bob Casanova
2012-07-11 17:24:48 UTC
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Post by Waldo Tunnel
Why in the fuck do supposedly rational atheists respond to Mr. Till as
if he were serious?
I'm curious; what's your basis for deciding he isn't
serious?
--
Bob C.

"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
i***@verizon.net
2012-07-10 16:20:20 UTC
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Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
I've seen David Copperfield live on stage do tricks that put that half-
assed attempt at stage magic to shame. Nothing there to see or
explain.
Rob B
Bob Casanova
2012-07-10 16:59:41 UTC
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Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
I'm curious... Exactly what do religious beliefs, or lack of
them, have to do with poltergeists?

Aside from that, the answer is probably, "Exactly the same
as do religious believers: They look at the video and
conclude it's faked, therefore there's nothing to explain".
--
Bob C.

"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
Bob Casanova
2012-07-11 17:13:45 UTC
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Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
I'm curious... Exactly what do religious beliefs, or lack of
them, have to do with poltergeists?
Well, Emmett?
--
Bob C.

"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
Bob Casanova
2012-07-14 17:52:33 UTC
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Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
I'm curious... Exactly what do religious beliefs, or lack of
them, have to do with poltergeists?
Well, Emmett?
And yet another loon runs away...
--
Bob C.

"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
MarkA
2012-07-10 19:20:41 UTC
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Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
We explain it without invoking a god, of course.
--
MarkA
Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
About eight o'clock
Ben Kaufman
2012-07-10 19:23:01 UTC
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Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
How do you know it was a poltergeist and not the Invisible Man?

Ben
k***@baawa.com
2012-07-11 00:36:45 UTC
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On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 06:35:15 -0700 (PDT), Emmett Till
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
So simple. It's obviously an anti-gravity Duckagator flying over
his house on it's way to Alpha Ceti IV. This the mating season.

Warlord Steve
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Dakota
2012-07-11 03:36:40 UTC
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On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 06:35:15 -0700 (PDT), Emmett Till
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
So simple. It's obviously an anti-gravity Duckagator flying over
his house on it's way to Alpha Ceti IV. This the mating season.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
You beat me to it. It's amazing that these trolls have never heard of
the giant flocks of anti-gravity Duckagators.
Cujo DeSockpuppet
2012-07-11 01:17:29 UTC
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Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
How the fuck do you explain something that never happened?
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2012-07-11 17:12:48 UTC
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Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
How the fuck do you explain something that never happened?
I think you just did...
--
Bob C.

"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
Waldo Tunnel
2012-07-19 07:00:10 UTC
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Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
How the fuck do you explain something that never happened?
How would you know it never happened unless you know everything that
has happened?
Virgil
2012-07-19 07:59:25 UTC
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Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
How the fuck do you explain something that never happened?
How would you know it never happened unless you know everything that
has happened?
Have you any OBJECTIVE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE that any such alleged events
have ever happened?

Until you do, and it has been vetted and accepted by non-theists,
it is a non-event.
--
Steve O
2012-07-19 12:57:31 UTC
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Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
How the fuck do you explain something that never happened?
How would you know it never happened unless you know everything that
has happened?
Have you any OBJECTIVE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE that any such alleged events
have ever happened?
Until you do, and it has been vetted and accepted by non-theists,
it is a non-event.
Some idiot in work was going on about how ghosts are real.
He was claiming that he went downstairs one night (for no apparent
reason) and found the ghost of a young boy sitting on his couch.
Conversation as follows

What did you do?
- Nothing
Did you call the police and social services?
-No, why should I?
Wouldn't that be the normal thing to do if you found a small boy on
your couch in the middle of the night?
- What would be the point?- he was a ghost!
How do you know he was a ghost and not just a small boy?
- I could see right through him!
You mean you could see the couch through his body?
- Yes!
Did he stand up?
- Yes.
Did he walk around the room?
- Yes
What did you see when you were looking at him from behind?
-I could see the door.
So let's see then, this "transparent " ghost can be seen right through,
but when you look through the front of him you can't see the back, and
when you look through his back you can't see his front?
Also, if you could actually see through him, what did his internal
organs look like?
Were they transparent as well?
- What???
Was he wearing a shirt?
- Yes
If he took his shirt off and left it on the couch, would that stay
transparent as well?
- What the hell are you talking about?
Ever seen ghost clothes on a washing line?…. actually, never mind….

Steve O
Waldo Tunnel
2012-07-22 05:49:08 UTC
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Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
How the fuck do you explain something that never happened?
How would you know it never happened unless you know everything that
has happened?
Have you any OBJECTIVE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE that any such alleged events
have ever happened?
Tsk, tsk, tsk. You are avoiding my question ["How would you know it
never happened..."] and shifting the burden of proof. I didn't make
any claims. You did.
Post by Virgil
Until you do, and it has been vetted and accepted by non-theists,
it is a non-event.
My goodness! I just asked you to back up your claim. You claim
inflicts no burden upon me to disprove it. Did you think it did?
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Devils Advocaat
2012-07-22 06:49:16 UTC
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Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
How the fuck do you explain something that never happened?
How would you know it never happened unless you know everything that
has happened?
Have you any OBJECTIVE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE that any such alleged events
have ever happened?
Tsk, tsk, tsk. You are avoiding my question ["How would you know it
never happened..."] and shifting the burden of proof. I didn't make
any claims. You did.
Post by Virgil
Until you do, and it has been vetted and accepted by non-theists,
it is a non-event.
My goodness! I just asked you to back up your claim. You claim
inflicts no burden upon me to disprove it. Did you think it did?
You asked how do atheists explain poltergeist levitation, and you were
asked for evidence that such things occurred. Seems to me you are
avoiding your responsiblity of confirming such a thing happens.
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Post by Virgil
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Waldo Tunnel
2012-07-22 07:55:42 UTC
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Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
How the fuck do you explain something that never happened?
How would you know it never happened unless you know everything that
has happened?
Have you any OBJECTIVE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE that any such alleged events
have ever happened?
Tsk, tsk, tsk. You are avoiding my question ["How would you know it
never happened..."] and shifting the burden of proof. I didn't make
any claims. You did.
Post by Virgil
Until you do, and it has been vetted and accepted by non-theists,
it is a non-event.
My goodness! I just asked you to back up your claim. You claim
inflicts no burden upon me to disprove it. Did you think it did?
You asked how do atheists explain poltergeist levitation,
Bullshit. Please retract this false accusation.

and you were
Post by Devils Advocaat
asked for evidence that such things occurred. Seems to me you are
avoiding your responsiblity of confirming such a thing happens.
Incorrect.

My correspondent said (to someone else) "How the fuck do you explain
something that never happened?"

And I asked him the obvious (to me) question: "How would you know 'it'
never happened unless you know everything that has happened?"

Instead of answering that question, my correspondent tried to shift
the burden of proof, as pointed out above.

Ok?
Devils Advocaat
2012-07-22 09:36:42 UTC
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Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
How the fuck do you explain something that never happened?
How would you know it never happened unless you know everything that
has happened?
Have you any OBJECTIVE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE that any such alleged events
have ever happened?
Tsk, tsk, tsk. You are avoiding my question ["How would you know it
never happened..."] and shifting the burden of proof. I didn't make
any claims. You did.
Post by Virgil
Until you do, and it has been vetted and accepted by non-theists,
it is a non-event.
My goodness! I just asked you to back up your claim. You claim
inflicts no burden upon me to disprove it. Did you think it did?
You asked how do atheists explain poltergeist levitation,
Bullshit. Please retract this false accusation.
 and you were
Post by Devils Advocaat
asked for evidence that such things occurred. Seems to me you are
avoiding your responsiblity of confirming such a thing happens.
Incorrect.
My correspondent said (to someone else) "How the fuck do you explain
something that never happened?"
And I asked him the obvious (to me) question: "How would you know 'it'
never happened unless you know everything that has happened?"
Instead of answering that question, my correspondent tried to shift
the burden of proof, as pointed out above.
Ok?
I stand corrected.

My apologies.
Waldo Tunnel
2012-07-22 13:08:17 UTC
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My apologies.
Thank you.
Perseus
2012-07-22 12:50:04 UTC
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Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
How the fuck do you explain something that never happened?
How would you know it never happened unless you know everything that
has happened?
Have you any OBJECTIVE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE that any such alleged events
have ever happened?
Tsk, tsk, tsk. You are avoiding my question ["How would you know it
never happened..."] and shifting the burden of proof. I didn't make
any claims. You did.
Post by Virgil
Until you do, and it has been vetted and accepted by non-theists,
it is a non-event.
My goodness! I just asked you to back up your claim. You claim
inflicts no burden upon me to disprove it. Did you think it did?
You asked how do atheists explain poltergeist levitation,
Bullshit. Please retract this false accusation.
 and you were
Post by Devils Advocaat
asked for evidence that such things occurred. Seems to me you are
avoiding your responsiblity of confirming such a thing happens.
Incorrect.
My correspondent said (to someone else) "How the fuck do you explain
something that never happened?"
And I asked him the obvious (to me) question: "How would you know 'it'
never happened unless you know everything that has happened?"
With this argument, we would never be able to dismissed old gods,
exterminated by Christians. How do you know that those gods were not
real, if you do not know how many god exist?

Then, for normal people like us, we do not need to be 100% sure of
something. It is enough to consider that something is unlikely for
the simple reason that you never had watched it. Not even in the
movies of Hollywood. But, beware; for not all that you can see in the
movies or in the TV is real.

Then, this shit of of "levitation" I have heard off, but I never
watched it.
I have never observed anyone levitating, then this story is more or
less like UFOS or aliens or to watch angels flying.
"Look, up there! There is angel up there flying! Look!"
"No, this is not angel, it's Superman!"
"Superman?"
"Yeah! Look at his cloak fluttering in the wind!"
"Well, in this case, it must be Superman."

Then, we do not need to prove anything.
If you see Superman flying? You do not need to prove it.
You are watching Superman flying, or someone that looks like Superman.

Perseus
Post by Waldo Tunnel
Instead of answering that question, my correspondent tried to shift
the burden of proof, as pointed out above.
Ok?
Waldo Tunnel
2012-07-22 15:19:44 UTC
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Post by Waldo Tunnel
My correspondent said (to someone else) "How the fuck do you explain
something that never happened?"
And I asked him the obvious (to me) question: "How would you know 'it'
never happened unless you know everything that has happened?"
With this argument,
What argument? Read what I wrote. I asked a question. Got an answer?
Post by Perseus
we would never be able to dismissed [sic] old gods,
exterminated by Christians.  How do you know that those gods were not
real, if you do not know how many god exist?
I think you need to read the thread a bit closer.
Post by Perseus
Then, for normal people like us, we do not need to be 100% sure of
something.
But you *do* need to claim to be 100% certain.
Post by Perseus
 It is enough to consider that something is unlikely for
the simple reason that you never had watched it.
LOL! Do you grok the difference between something "unlikely" to have
happened and "something that never happened"?
Post by Perseus
Not even in the
movies of Hollywood.  But, beware; for not all that you can see in the
movies or in the TV is real.
I'll keep that in mind.
Post by Perseus
Then, this shit of of [sic] "levitation" I have heard off [sic], but I never
watched it.
I have never observed anyone levitating, then this story is more or
less like UFOS or aliens or to watch angels flying.
You never observed levitation so it has to be fake.
Post by Perseus
"Look, up there!  There is angel up there flying!  Look!"
"No, this is not angel, it's Superman!"
"Superman?"
"Yeah!  Look at his cloak fluttering in the wind!"
"Well, in this case, it must be Superman."
That's very entertaining.
Post by Perseus
Then, we do not need to prove anything.
'We"?

Try again.
Perseus
2012-07-25 17:18:32 UTC
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Post by Perseus
Post by Waldo Tunnel
My correspondent said (to someone else) "How the fuck do you explain
something that never happened?"
And I asked him the obvious (to me) question: "How would you know 'it'
never happened unless you know everything that has happened?"
With this argument,
What argument? Read what I wrote. I asked a question. Got an answer?
 >we would never be able to dismissed [sic] old gods,
Post by Perseus
exterminated by Christians.  How do you know that those gods were not
real, if you do not know how many god exist?
I think you need to read the thread a bit closer.
Post by Perseus
Then, for normal people like us, we do not need to be 100% sure of
something.
But you *do* need to claim to be 100% certain.
Post by Perseus
 It is enough to consider that something is unlikely for
the simple reason that you never had watched it.
LOL! Do you grok the difference between something "unlikely" to have
happened and "something that never happened"?
Not any need. We only can argue rationally on things that occurred,
not on things that someone says it happened.
If were were to worry about all the shit stories people said it had
occurred, we would had not any time to worry about things real, that
are occurring.

It is a nonsense attitude to worry about things some people said "had
occurred" unless they are very likely, for they are similar to events
that had occurred for sure.

Perseus
Bob Casanova
2012-07-22 17:21:49 UTC
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HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
How the fuck do you explain something that never happened?
How would you know it never happened unless you know everything that
has happened?
Have you any OBJECTIVE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE that any such alleged events
have ever happened?
Tsk, tsk, tsk. You are avoiding my question ["How would you know it
never happened..."] and shifting the burden of proof. I didn't make
any claims. You did.
Wrong. You made the claim; he merely stated that he believes
the event never happened. It's now up to you to provide
evidence that it did.
Post by Waldo Tunnel
Post by Virgil
Until you do, and it has been vetted and accepted by non-theists,
it is a non-event.
My goodness! I just asked you to back up your claim. You claim
inflicts no burden upon me to disprove it. Did you think it did?
You have an interesting idea regarding the burden of proof.
Here's a hint: If I say "There are fairies dancing on my
bedroom ceiling every night" and you say you don't believe
me, the burden of proof doesn't shift from me to you; it's
always the positive claim which requires support. In this
case, that's the implied claim that poltergeists exist.

HTH.
--
Bob C.

"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."

- McNameless
Bob Casanova
2012-07-22 17:26:23 UTC
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Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
How the fuck do you explain something that never happened?
How would you know it never happened unless you know everything that
has happened?
Have you any OBJECTIVE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE that any such alleged events
have ever happened?
Tsk, tsk, tsk. You are avoiding my question ["How would you know it
never happened..."] and shifting the burden of proof. I didn't make
any claims. You did.
Wrong. You made the claim; he merely stated that he believes
the event never happened. It's now up to you to provide
evidence that it did.
Oops; my error. Emmett made the claim, and it's up to him to
provide the evidence supporting that claim (although he
seems to have run away). You merely posted an incorrect idea
regarding the burden of proof.
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Post by Waldo Tunnel
Post by Virgil
Until you do, and it has been vetted and accepted by non-theists,
it is a non-event.
My goodness! I just asked you to back up your claim. You claim
inflicts no burden upon me to disprove it. Did you think it did?
You have an interesting idea regarding the burden of proof.
Here's a hint: If I say "There are fairies dancing on my
bedroom ceiling every night" and you say you don't believe
me, the burden of proof doesn't shift from me to you; it's
always the positive claim which requires support. In this
case, that's the implied claim that poltergeists exist.
HTH.
--
Bob C.

"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."

- McNameless
Free Lunch
2012-07-22 17:30:05 UTC
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Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
How the fuck do you explain something that never happened?
How would you know it never happened unless you know everything that
has happened?
Have you any OBJECTIVE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE that any such alleged events
have ever happened?
Tsk, tsk, tsk. You are avoiding my question ["How would you know it
never happened..."] and shifting the burden of proof. I didn't make
any claims. You did.
Wrong. You made the claim; he merely stated that he believes
the event never happened. It's now up to you to provide
evidence that it did.
But he clearly does not want to, that is why he tried to mislead people
about who has the burden of proof.
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Post by Waldo Tunnel
Post by Virgil
Until you do, and it has been vetted and accepted by non-theists,
it is a non-event.
My goodness! I just asked you to back up your claim. You claim
inflicts no burden upon me to disprove it. Did you think it did?
You have an interesting idea regarding the burden of proof.
Here's a hint: If I say "There are fairies dancing on my
bedroom ceiling every night" and you say you don't believe
me, the burden of proof doesn't shift from me to you; it's
always the positive claim which requires support. In this
case, that's the implied claim that poltergeists exist.
Does anyone think he does not realize that? It's pure dishonesty on his
part to whine about not being able to ignore his own failure to produce
evidence.
Bob Casanova
2012-07-23 17:20:50 UTC
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HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
How the fuck do you explain something that never happened?
How would you know it never happened unless you know everything that
has happened?
Have you any OBJECTIVE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE that any such alleged events
have ever happened?
Tsk, tsk, tsk. You are avoiding my question ["How would you know it
never happened..."] and shifting the burden of proof. I didn't make
any claims. You did.
Wrong. You made the claim; he merely stated that he believes
the event never happened. It's now up to you to provide
evidence that it did.
But he clearly does not want to, that is why he tried to mislead people
about who has the burden of proof.
Yep. But I should note that I reposted, with the correction
that Emmett actually made the claim and Waldo was only an
enabler.
Post by Free Lunch
Post by Bob Casanova
Post by Waldo Tunnel
Post by Virgil
Until you do, and it has been vetted and accepted by non-theists,
it is a non-event.
My goodness! I just asked you to back up your claim. You claim
inflicts no burden upon me to disprove it. Did you think it did?
You have an interesting idea regarding the burden of proof.
Here's a hint: If I say "There are fairies dancing on my
bedroom ceiling every night" and you say you don't believe
me, the burden of proof doesn't shift from me to you; it's
always the positive claim which requires support. In this
case, that's the implied claim that poltergeists exist.
Does anyone think he does not realize that? It's pure dishonesty on his
part to whine about not being able to ignore his own failure to produce
evidence.
Dunno. I suspect that *Emmett* may not realize it. Of
course, Emmett was apparently only a drive-by poster, so it
may be a moot point.

And I suspect that Waldo may indeed realize it, and on whom
the burden of proof rests, but enjoys trolling.
--
Bob C.

"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."

- McNameless
Mike Painter
2012-07-23 20:18:45 UTC
Permalink
Wires and off camera throwers.

And God.
And devils.
And ghosts.
And cats.
Free Lunch
2012-07-23 22:48:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bob Casanova
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 12:30:05 -0500, the following appeared
Post by Free Lunch
Post by Bob Casanova
On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 22:49:08 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by Waldo Tunnel
Post by Waldo Tunnel
Post by Virgil
In article
Post by Waldo Tunnel
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
How the fuck do you explain something that never happened?
How would you know it never happened unless you know everything that
has happened?
Have you any OBJECTIVE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE that any such alleged events
have ever happened?
Tsk, tsk, tsk. You are avoiding my question ["How would you know it
never happened..."] and shifting the burden of proof. I didn't make
any claims. You did.
Wrong. You made the claim; he merely stated that he believes
the event never happened. It's now up to you to provide
evidence that it did.
But he clearly does not want to, that is why he tried to mislead people
about who has the burden of proof.
Yep. But I should note that I reposted, with the correction
that Emmett actually made the claim and Waldo was only an
enabler.
I noticed that after posting, but wasn't sure what was going on at that
point.
Post by Bob Casanova
Post by Free Lunch
Post by Bob Casanova
Post by Waldo Tunnel
Post by Virgil
Until you do, and it has been vetted and accepted by non-theists,
it is a non-event.
My goodness! I just asked you to back up your claim. You claim
inflicts no burden upon me to disprove it. Did you think it did?
You have an interesting idea regarding the burden of proof.
Here's a hint: If I say "There are fairies dancing on my
bedroom ceiling every night" and you say you don't believe
me, the burden of proof doesn't shift from me to you; it's
always the positive claim which requires support. In this
case, that's the implied claim that poltergeists exist.
Does anyone think he does not realize that? It's pure dishonesty on his
part to whine about not being able to ignore his own failure to produce
evidence.
Dunno. I suspect that *Emmett* may not realize it. Of
course, Emmett was apparently only a drive-by poster, so it
may be a moot point.
And I suspect that Waldo may indeed realize it, and on whom
the burden of proof rests, but enjoys trolling.
Bob Casanova
2012-07-24 16:49:37 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:48:11 -0500, the following appeared
Post by Free Lunch
Post by Bob Casanova
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 12:30:05 -0500, the following appeared
Post by Free Lunch
Post by Bob Casanova
On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 22:49:08 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by Waldo Tunnel
Post by Waldo Tunnel
Post by Virgil
In article
Post by Waldo Tunnel
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
How the fuck do you explain something that never happened?
How would you know it never happened unless you know everything that
has happened?
Have you any OBJECTIVE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE that any such alleged events
have ever happened?
Tsk, tsk, tsk. You are avoiding my question ["How would you know it
never happened..."] and shifting the burden of proof. I didn't make
any claims. You did.
Wrong. You made the claim; he merely stated that he believes
the event never happened. It's now up to you to provide
evidence that it did.
But he clearly does not want to, that is why he tried to mislead people
about who has the burden of proof.
Yep. But I should note that I reposted, with the correction
that Emmett actually made the claim and Waldo was only an
enabler.
I noticed that after posting, but wasn't sure what was going on at that
point.
You're still ahead of Emmett...

And neither Emmett nor Waldo has chosen to address the basic
point regarding the burden of proof, which says quite a bit.
Post by Free Lunch
Post by Bob Casanova
Post by Free Lunch
Post by Bob Casanova
Post by Waldo Tunnel
Post by Virgil
Until you do, and it has been vetted and accepted by non-theists,
it is a non-event.
My goodness! I just asked you to back up your claim. You claim
inflicts no burden upon me to disprove it. Did you think it did?
You have an interesting idea regarding the burden of proof.
Here's a hint: If I say "There are fairies dancing on my
bedroom ceiling every night" and you say you don't believe
me, the burden of proof doesn't shift from me to you; it's
always the positive claim which requires support. In this
case, that's the implied claim that poltergeists exist.
Does anyone think he does not realize that? It's pure dishonesty on his
part to whine about not being able to ignore his own failure to produce
evidence.
Dunno. I suspect that *Emmett* may not realize it. Of
course, Emmett was apparently only a drive-by poster, so it
may be a moot point.
And I suspect that Waldo may indeed realize it, and on whom
the burden of proof rests, but enjoys trolling.
--
Bob C.

"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."

- McNameless
Waldo Tunnel
2012-07-24 18:09:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bob Casanova
On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 22:49:08 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by Waldo Tunnel
Post by Waldo Tunnel
Post by Virgil
In article
Post by Waldo Tunnel
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
How the fuck do you explain something that never happened?
How would you know it never happened unless you know everything that
has happened?
Have you any OBJECTIVE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE that any such alleged events
have ever happened?
Tsk, tsk, tsk. You are avoiding my question ["How would you know it
never happened..."] and shifting the burden of proof. I didn't make
any claims. You did.
Wrong.
I'm surprised you wish to take an obvious joke seriously. But hey,
why not?
Post by Bob Casanova
You made the claim;
Please quote my "claim."
Post by Bob Casanova
he merely stated that he believes
the event never happened.
He doesn't believe in POLTERGEIST LEVITATION? What about you?
Post by Bob Casanova
It's now up to you to provide evidence that it did.
Because....?
Post by Bob Casanova
Post by Waldo Tunnel
Post by Virgil
Until you do, and it has been vetted and accepted by non-theists,
it is a non-event.
My goodness! I just asked you to back up your claim. You claim
inflicts no burden upon me to disprove it. Did you think it did?
You have an interesting idea regarding the burden of proof.
Or you don't read very closely.
Post by Bob Casanova
Here's a hint: If I say "There are fairies dancing on my
bedroom ceiling every night" and you say you don't believe
me, the burden of proof doesn't shift from me to you;
Because you haven't made a claim in this softball hypothetical you
threw to yourself. But if you said "It is impossible to see fairies of
any definition dancing on my bedroom ceiling every night" then the
burden might very well shift to you.
Post by Bob Casanova
it's always the positive claim which requires support.
Baloney. Got a reference you can quote on this subject? Or is it just
too obviously true for you to bother backing up?

If I say "No God exists" it doesn't fall to anyone who disagrees with
me to prove me wrong. And if they do not, it doesn't prove no god
exists.


In this
Post by Bob Casanova
case, that's the implied claim that poltergeists exist.
Ah. The "implied" claim. Well, I think I implied somewhere that you
were wrong.
Bob Casanova
2012-07-25 17:13:20 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 11:09:25 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by Waldo Tunnel
Post by Waldo Tunnel
Post by Bob Casanova
On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 22:49:08 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by Waldo Tunnel
Post by Waldo Tunnel
Post by Virgil
In article
Post by Waldo Tunnel
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
How the fuck do you explain something that never happened?
How would you know it never happened unless you know everything that
has happened?
Have you any OBJECTIVE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE that any such alleged events
have ever happened?
Tsk, tsk, tsk. You are avoiding my question ["How would you know it
never happened..."] and shifting the burden of proof. I didn't make
any claims. You did.
Wrong.
I'm surprised you wish to take an obvious joke seriously. But hey,
why not?
Indeed. It's become a cliche that it's
difficult-to-impossible to distinguish a Loki from a genuine
loon.
Post by Waldo Tunnel
Post by Bob Casanova
You made the claim;
Please quote my "claim."
I posted a correction, in which I noted that I'd gotten the
claimant wrong; perhaps you missed it. It was Emmett's
claim, not yours.
Post by Waldo Tunnel
Post by Bob Casanova
he merely stated that he believes
the event never happened.
He doesn't believe in POLTERGEIST LEVITATION? What about you?
Post by Bob Casanova
It's now up to you to provide evidence that it did.
Because....?
Post by Bob Casanova
Post by Waldo Tunnel
Post by Virgil
Until you do, and it has been vetted and accepted by non-theists,
it is a non-event.
My goodness! I just asked you to back up your claim. You claim
inflicts no burden upon me to disprove it. Did you think it did?
You have an interesting idea regarding the burden of proof.
Or you don't read very closely.
Post by Bob Casanova
Here's a hint: If I say "There are fairies dancing on my
bedroom ceiling every night" and you say you don't believe
me, the burden of proof doesn't shift from me to you;
Because you haven't made a claim in this softball hypothetical you
threw to yourself. But if you said "It is impossible to see fairies of
any definition dancing on my bedroom ceiling every night" then the
burden might very well shift to you.
Post by Bob Casanova
it's always the positive claim which requires support.
Baloney. Got a reference you can quote on this subject? Or is it just
too obviously true for you to bother backing up?
If I say "No God exists" it doesn't fall to anyone who disagrees with
me to prove me wrong. And if they do not, it doesn't prove no god
exists.
In this
Post by Bob Casanova
case, that's the implied claim that poltergeists exist.
Ah. The "implied" claim. Well, I think I implied somewhere that you
were wrong.
--
Bob C.

"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."

- McNameless
Heyduke Lives
2012-07-11 02:15:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
Shitting cultist insanity.

---
Email address: ***@yahoo.com http://www.skeptictank.org/
And a varmint will not quit, ever.
Uncle Vic
2012-07-11 02:24:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
By laughing at you and walking away.
--
Uncle Vic
aa# 2011
Matthew 6:5-6
"Keep thy religion to thyself"

Visit my You Tube Channel!
http://www.youtube.com/user/Vicman6311?feature=mhee
s***@yahoo.com
2012-07-11 08:27:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
Here's how: somebody was smoking some of that gnarly Purple Train
Wreck cannabis, and hey. The rest is history.

Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com
Clocky
2012-07-11 09:52:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
Don't have to explain when you present faked videos....
Father Haskell
2012-07-22 05:51:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
How do atheists explain poltergeist levitation, or how do
they explain believers' gullibility?
felix_unger
2013-12-07 13:25:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their
beliefs... "It doesn't exist!"
--
rgds,

Pete
-------
“People sleep peacefully in their beds only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf”
Les
2013-12-07 15:37:19 UTC
Permalink
Post by felix_unger
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their
beliefs... "It doesn't exist!"
Is this part of our 'atheist beliefs system' we keep hearing
vague rumour about?

The ones that are so secret even we are not not permitted
to know what they are?
--
Les Hellawell
Greeting from:
YORKSHIRE - Europe's top Destination 2013
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23930147

"In our more diverse and secular society, the place of religion has
come to be a matter of lively discussion. It is rightly acknowledged
that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue and that the wellbeing
and prosperity of the nation depend on the contribution of individuals
and groups of all faiths and of none. "

- Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II
- from a speech to the Synond of the Church of England in 2010
Bob Casanova
2013-12-07 17:12:54 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 15:37:19 +0000, the following appeared
Post by Les
Post by felix_unger
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their
beliefs... "It doesn't exist!"
Is this part of our 'atheist beliefs system' we keep hearing
vague rumour about?
The ones that are so secret even we are not not permitted
to know what they are?
I'm just curious to know the connection between disbelief in
poltergeists and atheism...

Are poltergeists supposedly deities of some sort?
--
Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov
felix_unger
2013-12-07 22:50:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bob Casanova
On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 15:37:19 +0000, the following appeared
Post by Les
Post by felix_unger
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their
beliefs... "It doesn't exist!"
Is this part of our 'atheist beliefs system' we keep hearing
vague rumour about?
The ones that are so secret even we are not not permitted
to know what they are?
I'm just curious to know the connection between disbelief in
poltergeists and atheism...
it seems that atheists don't accept the existence of anything
supra-normal, para-normal, supernatural, etc.,
Post by Bob Casanova
Are poltergeists supposedly deities of some sort?
--
rgds,

Pete
-------
“People sleep peacefully in their beds only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf”
Jeanne Douglas
2013-12-07 23:54:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by felix_unger
Post by Bob Casanova
On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 15:37:19 +0000, the following appeared
Post by Les
Post by felix_unger
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their
beliefs... "It doesn't exist!"
Is this part of our 'atheist beliefs system' we keep hearing
vague rumour about?
The ones that are so secret even we are not not permitted
to know what they are?
I'm just curious to know the connection between disbelief in
poltergeists and atheism...
it seems that atheists don't accept the existence of anything
supra-normal, para-normal, supernatural, etc.,
Precisely. We don't accept the existence of anything that has no
objective and verifiable evidence that it exists.

Thanks for the acknowledgement of our intelligence and sanity.
--
JD

"If our country is going broke, let it be from
feeding the poor and caring for the elderly.
And not from pampering the rich and fighting
wars for them."--Living Blue in a Red State (seen on Facebook)
SkyEyes
2013-12-08 08:28:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by felix_unger
it seems that atheists don't accept the existence of anything
supra-normal, para-normal, supernatural, etc.,
No. Atheists don't accept the arguments for the existence of any god or
gods. That's all. There are atheists who believe in ghosts.
--
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34 and A+ atheist
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com
Les
2013-12-08 09:15:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by felix_unger
Post by Bob Casanova
On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 15:37:19 +0000, the following appeared
Post by Les
Post by felix_unger
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their
beliefs... "It doesn't exist!"
Is this part of our 'atheist beliefs system' we keep hearing
vague rumour about?
The ones that are so secret even we are not not permitted
to know what they are?
I'm just curious to know the connection between disbelief in
poltergeists and atheism...
it seems that atheists don't accept the existence of anything
supra-normal, para-normal, supernatural, etc.,
Fortunately we are not responsible for your 'seems'
--
Les Hellawell
Greeting from:
YORKSHIRE - Europe's top Destination 2013
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23930147

"In our more diverse and secular society, the place of religion has
come to be a matter of lively discussion. It is rightly acknowledged
that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue and that the wellbeing
and prosperity of the nation depend on the contribution of individuals
and groups of all faiths and of none. "

- Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II
- from a speech to the Synond of the Church of England in 2010
Bob Casanova
2013-12-08 17:19:28 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 08 Dec 2013 09:50:13 +1100, the following appeared
Post by felix_unger
Post by Bob Casanova
On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 15:37:19 +0000, the following appeared
Post by Les
Post by felix_unger
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their
beliefs... "It doesn't exist!"
Is this part of our 'atheist beliefs system' we keep hearing
vague rumour about?
The ones that are so secret even we are not not permitted
to know what they are?
I'm just curious to know the connection between disbelief in
poltergeists and atheism...
it seems that atheists don't accept the existence of anything
supra-normal, para-normal, supernatural, etc.,
Ah, so it's a delusion of Emmett's? OK.
Post by felix_unger
Post by Bob Casanova
Are poltergeists supposedly deities of some sort?
--
Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov
felix_unger
2013-12-08 21:08:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bob Casanova
On Sun, 08 Dec 2013 09:50:13 +1100, the following appeared
Post by felix_unger
Post by Bob Casanova
On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 15:37:19 +0000, the following appeared
Post by Les
Post by felix_unger
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their
beliefs... "It doesn't exist!"
Is this part of our 'atheist beliefs system' we keep hearing
vague rumour about?
The ones that are so secret even we are not not permitted
to know what they are?
I'm just curious to know the connection between disbelief in
poltergeists and atheism...
it seems that atheists don't accept the existence of anything
supra-normal, para-normal, supernatural, etc.,
Ah, so it's a delusion of Emmett's? OK.
Well apparently some do, I've now been told
Post by Bob Casanova
Post by felix_unger
Post by Bob Casanova
Are poltergeists supposedly deities of some sort?
--
rgds,

Pete
-------
“People sleep peacefully in their beds only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf”
Jeanne Douglas
2013-12-07 23:53:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bob Casanova
On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 15:37:19 +0000, the following appeared
Post by Les
Post by felix_unger
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their
beliefs... "It doesn't exist!"
Is this part of our 'atheist beliefs system' we keep hearing
vague rumour about?
The ones that are so secret even we are not not permitted
to know what they are?
I'm just curious to know the connection between disbelief in
poltergeists and atheism...
Are poltergeists supposedly deities of some sort?
If you can believe in a god without evidence, how hard would it be to
believe in other supernatural beings--like ghosts and poltergeists?
--
JD

"If our country is going broke, let it be from
feeding the poor and caring for the elderly.
And not from pampering the rich and fighting
wars for them."--Living Blue in a Red State (seen on Facebook)
Bob Casanova
2013-12-08 17:21:59 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 15:53:34 -0800, the following appeared
in sci.skeptic, posted by Jeanne Douglas
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by Bob Casanova
On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 15:37:19 +0000, the following appeared
Post by Les
Post by felix_unger
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their
beliefs... "It doesn't exist!"
Is this part of our 'atheist beliefs system' we keep hearing
vague rumour about?
The ones that are so secret even we are not not permitted
to know what they are?
I'm just curious to know the connection between disbelief in
poltergeists and atheism...
Are poltergeists supposedly deities of some sort?
If you can believe in a god without evidence, how hard would it be to
believe in other supernatural beings--like ghosts and poltergeists?
Not hard at all, but that seems to have reversed the claim;
(A implies B) does not equal (not-A implies not-B).
--
Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov
m***@.not
2013-12-08 19:40:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by Bob Casanova
On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 15:37:19 +0000, the following appeared
Post by Les
Post by felix_unger
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their
beliefs... "It doesn't exist!"
Is this part of our 'atheist beliefs system' we keep hearing
vague rumour about?
The ones that are so secret even we are not not permitted
to know what they are?
I'm just curious to know the connection between disbelief in
poltergeists and atheism...
Are poltergeists supposedly deities of some sort?
If you can believe in a god without evidence,
How could anyone believe in a god without evidence, when everything that
suggests god exists is evidence? There would be nothing to believe in if there
was no evidence to encourage belief in it. The concept wouldn't even exist if
there was no evidence for the concept at all.
Post by Jeanne Douglas
how hard would it be to
believe in other supernatural beings--like ghosts and poltergeists?
The same thing is true of them. If there was no evidence for them then the
concept wouldn't even exist and no one would believe in them. How can such an
obvious thing be impossible for you to comprehend?
felix_unger
2013-12-08 21:13:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by m***@.not
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by Bob Casanova
On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 15:37:19 +0000, the following appeared
Post by Les
Post by felix_unger
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their
beliefs... "It doesn't exist!"
Is this part of our 'atheist beliefs system' we keep hearing
vague rumour about?
The ones that are so secret even we are not not permitted
to know what they are?
I'm just curious to know the connection between disbelief in
poltergeists and atheism...
Are poltergeists supposedly deities of some sort?
If you can believe in a god without evidence,
How could anyone believe in a god without evidence, when everything that
suggests god exists is evidence? There would be nothing to believe in if there
was no evidence to encourage belief in it. The concept wouldn't even exist if
there was no evidence for the concept at all.
Post by Jeanne Douglas
how hard would it be to
believe in other supernatural beings--like ghosts and poltergeists?
The same thing is true of them. If there was no evidence for them then the
concept wouldn't even exist and no one would believe in them. How can such an
obvious thing be impossible for you to comprehend?
Absolutely correct. I've made this point myself before.
--
rgds,

Pete
-------
“People sleep peacefully in their beds only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf”
Jeanne Douglas
2013-12-08 22:39:37 UTC
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Post by felix_unger
On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 15:53:34 -0800, Jeanne Douglas
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by Bob Casanova
On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 15:37:19 +0000, the following appeared
Post by Les
Post by felix_unger
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their
beliefs... "It doesn't exist!"
Is this part of our 'atheist beliefs system' we keep hearing
vague rumour about?
The ones that are so secret even we are not not permitted
to know what they are?
I'm just curious to know the connection between disbelief in
poltergeists and atheism...
Are poltergeists supposedly deities of some sort?
If you can believe in a god without evidence,
How could anyone believe in a god without evidence, when everything that
suggests god exists is evidence? There would be nothing to believe in if there
was no evidence to encourage belief in it. The concept wouldn't even exist if
there was no evidence for the concept at all.
Post by Jeanne Douglas
how hard would it be to
believe in other supernatural beings--like ghosts and poltergeists?
The same thing is true of them. If there was no evidence for them then the
concept wouldn't even exist and no one would believe in them. How can such an
obvious thing be impossible for you to comprehend?
Absolutely correct. I've made this point myself before.
So you believe something completely and totally ridiculous, too?
--
JD

"If our country is going broke, let it be from
feeding the poor and caring for the elderly.
And not from pampering the rich and fighting
wars for them."--Living Blue in a Red State (seen on Facebook)
felix_unger
2013-12-08 23:03:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 15:53:34 -0800, Jeanne Douglas
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by Bob Casanova
On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 15:37:19 +0000, the following appeared
Post by Les
Post by felix_unger
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their
beliefs... "It doesn't exist!"
Is this part of our 'atheist beliefs system' we keep hearing
vague rumour about?
The ones that are so secret even we are not not permitted
to know what they are?
I'm just curious to know the connection between disbelief in
poltergeists and atheism...
Are poltergeists supposedly deities of some sort?
If you can believe in a god without evidence,
How could anyone believe in a god without evidence, when everything that
suggests god exists is evidence? There would be nothing to believe in if there
was no evidence to encourage belief in it. The concept wouldn't even exist if
there was no evidence for the concept at all.
Post by Jeanne Douglas
how hard would it be to
believe in other supernatural beings--like ghosts and poltergeists?
The same thing is true of them. If there was no evidence for them then the
concept wouldn't even exist and no one would believe in them. How can such an
obvious thing be impossible for you to comprehend?
Absolutely correct. I've made this point myself before.
So you believe something completely and totally ridiculous, too?
I'm agreeing that concepts are created by evidence
--
rgds,

Pete
-------
“People sleep peacefully in their beds only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf”
Smiler
2013-12-09 00:44:46 UTC
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Post by felix_unger
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 15:53:34 -0800, Jeanne Douglas
Post by Jeanne Douglas
On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 15:37:19 +0000, the following appeared in
Post by felix_unger
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their
beliefs... "It doesn't exist!"
Is this part of our 'atheist beliefs system' we keep hearing vague
rumour about?
The ones that are so secret even we are not not permitted to know
what they are?
I'm just curious to know the connection between disbelief in
poltergeists and atheism...
Are poltergeists supposedly deities of some sort?
If you can believe in a god without evidence,
How could anyone believe in a god without evidence, when everything that
suggests god exists is evidence? There would be nothing to believe in if there
was no evidence to encourage belief in it. The concept wouldn't even exist if
there was no evidence for the concept at all.
Post by Jeanne Douglas
how hard would it be to
believe in other supernatural beings--like ghosts and poltergeists?
The same thing is true of them. If there was no evidence for
them then the
concept wouldn't even exist and no one would believe in them. How can such an
obvious thing be impossible for you to comprehend?
Absolutely correct. I've made this point myself before.
So you believe something completely and totally ridiculous, too?
I'm agreeing that concepts are created by evidence
Isn't it funny how, when asked to produce this claimed evidence, it
disappears in a puff of 'holy' smoke?
Beliefs, opinions and 'holy' books are NOT evidence.
--
Smiler,
The godless one. a.a.# 2279
All gods are tailored to order. They're made to
exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.

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m***@.not
2013-12-09 22:30:51 UTC
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On Mon, 09 Dec 2013 00:44:46 +0000, Smiler <***@JoeKing.com> wrote:
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Post by Smiler
Post by felix_unger
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 15:53:34 -0800, Jeanne Douglas
Post by Jeanne Douglas
On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 15:37:19 +0000, the following appeared in
Post by felix_unger
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their
beliefs... "It doesn't exist!"
Is this part of our 'atheist beliefs system' we keep hearing vague
rumour about?
The ones that are so secret even we are not not permitted to know
what they are?
I'm just curious to know the connection between disbelief in
poltergeists and atheism...
Are poltergeists supposedly deities of some sort?
If you can believe in a god without evidence,
How could anyone believe in a god without evidence, when
everything that
suggests god exists is evidence? There would be nothing to believe in if there
was no evidence to encourage belief in it. The concept wouldn't even exist if
there was no evidence for the concept at all.
Post by Jeanne Douglas
how hard would it be to
believe in other supernatural beings--like ghosts and poltergeists?
The same thing is true of them. If there was no evidence for
them then the
concept wouldn't even exist and no one would believe in them. How can such an
obvious thing be impossible for you to comprehend?
Absolutely correct. I've made this point myself before.
So you believe something completely and totally ridiculous, too?
I'm agreeing that concepts are created by evidence
Isn't it funny how, when asked to produce this claimed evidence, it
disappears in a puff of 'holy' smoke?
Beliefs, opinions and 'holy' books are NOT evidence.
If that's true it means that beliefs, opinions and books are not evidence of
scientific things or anything else being true either. It means either that or it
means that you are WRONG. My guess of course is it means that you're wrong and
should make an attempt to correct your incorrect thoughts about it.

What do you want people to think is the difference between strong and weak
atheism, btw?
m***@.not
2013-12-09 22:30:46 UTC
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On Mon, 09 Dec 2013 08:13:58 +1100, felix_unger <***@nothere.biz> wrote:
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Post by felix_unger
Post by m***@.not
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by Bob Casanova
On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 15:37:19 +0000, the following appeared
Post by Les
Post by felix_unger
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their
beliefs... "It doesn't exist!"
Is this part of our 'atheist beliefs system' we keep hearing
vague rumour about?
The ones that are so secret even we are not not permitted
to know what they are?
I'm just curious to know the connection between disbelief in
poltergeists and atheism...
Are poltergeists supposedly deities of some sort?
If you can believe in a god without evidence,
How could anyone believe in a god without evidence, when everything that
suggests god exists is evidence? There would be nothing to believe in if there
was no evidence to encourage belief in it. The concept wouldn't even exist if
there was no evidence for the concept at all.
Post by Jeanne Douglas
how hard would it be to
believe in other supernatural beings--like ghosts and poltergeists?
The same thing is true of them. If there was no evidence for them then the
concept wouldn't even exist and no one would believe in them. How can such an
obvious thing be impossible for you to comprehend?
Absolutely correct. I've made this point myself before.
I'm guessing though you've probably been ridiculed for it a number of times,
no one has ever provided a believable way people could develop a belief in
something that there's absolutely no evidence for at all. Maybe someone will do
it now, but I doubt they'll be successful even if someone does try to.
felix_unger
2013-12-09 23:40:45 UTC
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Post by m***@.not
.
Post by felix_unger
Post by m***@.not
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by Bob Casanova
On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 15:37:19 +0000, the following appeared
Post by Les
Post by felix_unger
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their
beliefs... "It doesn't exist!"
Is this part of our 'atheist beliefs system' we keep hearing
vague rumour about?
The ones that are so secret even we are not not permitted
to know what they are?
I'm just curious to know the connection between disbelief in
poltergeists and atheism...
Are poltergeists supposedly deities of some sort?
If you can believe in a god without evidence,
How could anyone believe in a god without evidence, when everything that
suggests god exists is evidence? There would be nothing to believe in if there
was no evidence to encourage belief in it. The concept wouldn't even exist if
there was no evidence for the concept at all.
Post by Jeanne Douglas
how hard would it be to
believe in other supernatural beings--like ghosts and poltergeists?
The same thing is true of them. If there was no evidence for them then the
concept wouldn't even exist and no one would believe in them. How can such an
obvious thing be impossible for you to comprehend?
Absolutely correct. I've made this point myself before.
I'm guessing though you've probably been ridiculed for it a number of times,
correct guess :)
Post by m***@.not
no one has ever provided a believable way people could develop a belief in
something that there's absolutely no evidence for at all. Maybe someone will do
it now, but I doubt they'll be successful even if someone does try to.
I wonder how many ppl believe in a flying herbivorous pink spotted mouse
with bad teeth?..
--
rgds,

Pete
-------
“People sleep peacefully in their beds only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf”
Jeanne Douglas
2013-12-08 22:37:30 UTC
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Post by m***@.not
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by Bob Casanova
On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 15:37:19 +0000, the following appeared
Post by Les
Post by felix_unger
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their
beliefs... "It doesn't exist!"
Is this part of our 'atheist beliefs system' we keep hearing
vague rumour about?
The ones that are so secret even we are not not permitted
to know what they are?
I'm just curious to know the connection between disbelief in
poltergeists and atheism...
Are poltergeists supposedly deities of some sort?
If you can believe in a god without evidence,
How could anyone believe in a god without evidence, when everything that
suggests god exists is evidence? There would be nothing to believe in if there
was no evidence to encourage belief in it. The concept wouldn't even exist if
there was no evidence for the concept at all.
Okay, then. Will you finally be the person who actually provides the
objective and verifiable evidence? List some of it right here:

1.

2.

3.


....
--
JD

"If our country is going broke, let it be from
feeding the poor and caring for the elderly.
And not from pampering the rich and fighting
wars for them."--Living Blue in a Red State (seen on Facebook)
m***@.not
2013-12-09 22:29:52 UTC
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On Sun, 08 Dec 2013 14:37:30 -0800, Jeanne Douglas <***@NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:
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Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by m***@.not
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by Bob Casanova
On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 15:37:19 +0000, the following appeared
Post by Les
Post by felix_unger
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their
beliefs... "It doesn't exist!"
Is this part of our 'atheist beliefs system' we keep hearing
vague rumour about?
The ones that are so secret even we are not not permitted
to know what they are?
I'm just curious to know the connection between disbelief in
poltergeists and atheism...
Are poltergeists supposedly deities of some sort?
If you can believe in a god without evidence,
How could anyone believe in a god without evidence, when everything that
suggests god exists is evidence? There would be nothing to believe in if there
was no evidence to encourage belief in it. The concept wouldn't even exist if
there was no evidence for the concept at all.
Okay, then. Will you finally be the person who actually provides the
1. The Bible itself is evidence, and the fact that it still exists today even
though people have attempted to eliminate it over the centuries during times
before it was easy to reproduce, is more evidence.

2. The fact that there are millions of species of animals even though humans
know of very few if any examples of one species giving rise to a different one
is evidence, as is the fact that not only are there not lots of examples of
things like beings such as reptiles changing into birds as their should be if it
all happened just by chance, but there are NO examples. Try to explain why it
stopped happening if it just happened by accident a LOT for billions of years
but doesn't happen at all any more.

3. All the other evidence including the fact that reproductive and immune
systems etc seem to be designed systems whether they actually are or not.

And again no one would have ever even considered the idea if there was no
evidence at all, meaning that there MUST BE evidence and also meaning that
apparently you can't recognise a single bit of it, much less are you any sort of
respectable authority on what might be strong actual evidence and what is weak
bogus evidence. Since you deny every bit of it you couldn't get anywhere at all
with making distinctions like that.
george152
2013-12-09 23:13:52 UTC
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Post by m***@.not
1. The Bible itself is evidence, and the fact that it still exists today even
though people have attempted to eliminate it over the centuries during times
before it was easy to reproduce, is more evidence.
The bible is a collection of folk tales, nothing more or less.
It exists because there are more fools than wise men in the world
Dakota
2013-12-09 23:19:35 UTC
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Post by m***@.not
.
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by m***@.not
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by Bob Casanova
On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 15:37:19 +0000, the following appeared
Post by Les
Post by felix_unger
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their
beliefs... "It doesn't exist!"
Is this part of our 'atheist beliefs system' we keep hearing
vague rumour about?
The ones that are so secret even we are not not permitted
to know what they are?
I'm just curious to know the connection between disbelief in
poltergeists and atheism...
Are poltergeists supposedly deities of some sort?
If you can believe in a god without evidence,
How could anyone believe in a god without evidence, when everything that
suggests god exists is evidence? There would be nothing to believe in if there
was no evidence to encourage belief in it. The concept wouldn't even exist if
there was no evidence for the concept at all.
Okay, then. Will you finally be the person who actually provides the
1. The Bible itself is evidence, and the fact that it still exists today even
though people have attempted to eliminate it over the centuries during times
before it was easy to reproduce, is more evidence.
To say "it" still exists today is absurd. No original texts of any of
the books from the Bible exist today. What we have are copies of
copies of copies ....
Post by m***@.not
2. The fact that there are millions of species of animals even though humans
know of very few if any examples of one species giving rise to a different one
is evidence, as is the fact that not only are there not lots of examples of
things like beings such as reptiles changing into birds as their should be if it
all happened just by chance, but there are NO examples. Try to explain why it
stopped happening if it just happened by accident a LOT for billions of years
but doesn't happen at all any more.
The conditions necessary for the formation of fossils are uncommon.
That some fossil evidence has been found demonstrates that the process
of evolution did take place in the past. Drug resistant bacteria, for
example, are evidence that evolution continues to this day. The
evolution of fruit flies under laboratory conditions is another example.

Once again a fool posts that evolution happened by accident.
Post by m***@.not
3. All the other evidence including the fact that reproductive and immune
systems etc seem to be designed systems whether they actually are or not.
To whom do they "seem" to be designed?
Post by m***@.not
And again no one would have ever even considered the idea if there was no
evidence at all, meaning that there MUST BE evidence and also meaning that
apparently you can't recognise a single bit of it, much less are you any sort of
respectable authority on what might be strong actual evidence and what is weak
bogus evidence. Since you deny every bit of it you couldn't get anywhere at all
with making distinctions like that.
No one would have ever considered the idea of leprechauns or the Tooth
Fairy if there was no evidence at all meaning that there MUST BE
evidence that apparently you can't recognize.

There is evidence that humans have been considering the idea of gods
throughout recorded history. A very large number of such gods have
been dreamed up and worshiped over the ages. The
Judeo-Christian-Islamic god is just one of the many.
Jeanne Douglas
2013-12-08 22:39:05 UTC
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Post by m***@.not
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by Bob Casanova
On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 15:37:19 +0000, the following appeared
Post by Les
Post by felix_unger
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their
beliefs... "It doesn't exist!"
Is this part of our 'atheist beliefs system' we keep hearing
vague rumour about?
The ones that are so secret even we are not not permitted
to know what they are?
I'm just curious to know the connection between disbelief in
poltergeists and atheism...
Are poltergeists supposedly deities of some sort?
If you can believe in a god without evidence,
How could anyone believe in a god without evidence, when everything that
suggests god exists is evidence? There would be nothing to believe in if there
was no evidence to encourage belief in it. The concept wouldn't even exist if
there was no evidence for the concept at all.
Post by Jeanne Douglas
how hard would it be to
believe in other supernatural beings--like ghosts and poltergeists?
The same thing is true of them. If there was no evidence for them then the
concept wouldn't even exist and no one would believe in them. How can such an
obvious thing be impossible for you to comprehend?
What obvious thing?

Human beings have imaginations and they make up impossible things all
the time. Entire industries are based on just that fact--fiction books,
movies, tv.
--
JD

"If our country is going broke, let it be from
feeding the poor and caring for the elderly.
And not from pampering the rich and fighting
wars for them."--Living Blue in a Red State (seen on Facebook)
m***@.not
2013-12-09 22:30:02 UTC
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On Sun, 08 Dec 2013 14:39:05 -0800, Jeanne Douglas <***@NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:
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Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by m***@.not
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by Bob Casanova
On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 15:37:19 +0000, the following appeared
Post by Les
Post by felix_unger
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their
beliefs... "It doesn't exist!"
Is this part of our 'atheist beliefs system' we keep hearing
vague rumour about?
The ones that are so secret even we are not not permitted
to know what they are?
I'm just curious to know the connection between disbelief in
poltergeists and atheism...
Are poltergeists supposedly deities of some sort?
If you can believe in a god without evidence,
How could anyone believe in a god without evidence, when everything that
suggests god exists is evidence? There would be nothing to believe in if there
was no evidence to encourage belief in it. The concept wouldn't even exist if
there was no evidence for the concept at all.
Post by Jeanne Douglas
how hard would it be to
believe in other supernatural beings--like ghosts and poltergeists?
The same thing is true of them. If there was no evidence for them then the
concept wouldn't even exist and no one would believe in them. How can such an
obvious thing be impossible for you to comprehend?
What obvious thing?
The fact that if there was no reason for anyone to believe in a concept, no
one would believe in the concept.
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Human beings have imaginations and they make up impossible things all
the time. Entire industries are based on just that fact--fiction books,
movies, tv.
Those things are all evidence that the fictional beings exist. The
difference is that we know they do not. Children believe in Santa Clause, and
some believe in Superman, because of the evidence that they exist. There is more
evidence that God exists than that Santa and Superman exist whether you can
learn to appreciate that fact or not. We know Santa and Superman don't exist ,
because we know how the evidence came into existence without the beings
themselves actually existing. We don't know that in regards to God. Again you
can't recognise a very significant aspect of the situation, and it appears that
again it's in large part because you can't recognise any evidence much less
distinguish good from bad. To think of the possibility of God's existence and
that of Porky Pig's existence in the same way is absurd, for example.
felix_unger
2013-12-09 23:45:29 UTC
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Post by m***@.not
.
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by m***@.not
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by Bob Casanova
On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 15:37:19 +0000, the following appeared
Post by Les
Post by felix_unger
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their
beliefs... "It doesn't exist!"
Is this part of our 'atheist beliefs system' we keep hearing
vague rumour about?
The ones that are so secret even we are not not permitted
to know what they are?
I'm just curious to know the connection between disbelief in
poltergeists and atheism...
Are poltergeists supposedly deities of some sort?
If you can believe in a god without evidence,
How could anyone believe in a god without evidence, when everything that
suggests god exists is evidence? There would be nothing to believe in if there
was no evidence to encourage belief in it. The concept wouldn't even exist if
there was no evidence for the concept at all.
Post by Jeanne Douglas
how hard would it be to
believe in other supernatural beings--like ghosts and poltergeists?
The same thing is true of them. If there was no evidence for them then the
concept wouldn't even exist and no one would believe in them. How can such an
obvious thing be impossible for you to comprehend?
What obvious thing?
The fact that if there was no reason for anyone to believe in a concept, no
one would believe in the concept.
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Human beings have imaginations and they make up impossible things all
the time. Entire industries are based on just that fact--fiction books,
movies, tv.
Those things are all evidence that the fictional beings exist. The
difference is that we know they do not. Children believe in Santa Clause, and
some believe in Superman, because of the evidence that they exist. There is more
evidence that God exists than that Santa and Superman exist whether you can
learn to appreciate that fact or not. We know Santa and Superman don't exist ,
because we know how the evidence came into existence without the beings
themselves actually existing. We don't know that in regards to God. Again you
can't recognise a very significant aspect of the situation, and it appears that
again it's in large part because you can't recognise any evidence much less
distinguish good from bad. To think of the possibility of God's existence and
that of Porky Pig's existence in the same way is absurd, for example.
You explain things very well
--
rgds,

Pete
-------
“People sleep peacefully in their beds only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf”
m***@.not
2013-12-08 19:32:37 UTC
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Post by Les
Post by felix_unger
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their
beliefs... "It doesn't exist!"
Is this part of our 'atheist beliefs system' we keep hearing
vague rumour about?
Apparently you're not aware of different types of atheism.
Post by Les
The ones that are so secret even we are not not permitted
to know what they are?
You certainly seem to be completely clueless about something that's common
knowledge to plenty of people. Don't you have any clue at all what the
difference between strong atheism and weak atheism is? Here's a clue for you: If
you don't have any belief about the existence of God you are a weak atheist. If
you have the belief that God does not exist at all or even that no god has ever
had any influence on this planet then you DO have a belief making you a strong
atheist. IF you are a strong atheist, the amount of faith you have that your
belief is correct is what determines how strong an atheist you are.
Les
2013-12-08 20:32:06 UTC
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Post by m***@.not
Post by Les
Post by felix_unger
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their
beliefs... "It doesn't exist!"
Is this part of our 'atheist beliefs system' we keep hearing
vague rumour about?
Apparently you're not aware of different types of atheism.
Post by Les
The ones that are so secret even we are not not permitted
to know what they are?
You certainly seem to be completely clueless about something that's common
knowledge to plenty of people. Don't you have any clue at all what the
difference between strong atheism and weak atheism is? Here's a clue for you: If
you don't have any belief about the existence of God you are a weak atheist. If
you have the belief that God does not exist at all or even that no god has ever
had any influence on this planet then you DO have a belief making you a strong
atheist. IF you are a strong atheist, the amount of faith you have that your
belief is correct is what determines how strong an atheist you are.
Thank you for your post

I will respond when you calm down and stop hurling insults
and accusation of ignorance at me. OK
--
Les Hellawell
Greeting from:
YORKSHIRE - Europe's top Destination 2013
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23930147

"In our more diverse and secular society, the place of religion has
come to be a matter of lively discussion. It is rightly acknowledged
that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue and that the wellbeing
and prosperity of the nation depend on the contribution of individuals
and groups of all faiths and of none. "

- Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II
- from a speech to the Synond of the Church of England in 2010
m***@.not
2013-12-09 22:30:24 UTC
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On Sun, 08 Dec 2013 20:32:06 +0000, Les <***@sharnt.tell> wrote:
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Post by Les
Post by m***@.not
Post by Les
Post by felix_unger
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their
beliefs... "It doesn't exist!"
Is this part of our 'atheist beliefs system' we keep hearing
vague rumour about?
Apparently you're not aware of different types of atheism.
Post by Les
The ones that are so secret even we are not not permitted
to know what they are?
You certainly seem to be completely clueless about something that's common
knowledge to plenty of people. Don't you have any clue at all what the
difference between strong atheism and weak atheism is? Here's a clue for you: If
you don't have any belief about the existence of God you are a weak atheist. If
you have the belief that God does not exist at all or even that no god has ever
had any influence on this planet then you DO have a belief making you a strong
atheist. IF you are a strong atheist, the amount of faith you have that your
belief is correct is what determines how strong an atheist you are.
Thank you for your post
You're welcome.
Post by Les
I will respond when you calm down and stop hurling insults
and accusation of ignorance at me. OK
If you were not ignorant of the fact that strong atheism is a belief, then
you dishonestly pretended to be. So which was it? Were you honestly ignorant, or
deliberately dishonest? Those are the only two possibilities in the situation
YOU created. Are you now going to feel insulted because I pointed out the fact
that YOU created the situation?
Les
2013-12-09 23:28:43 UTC
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Post by m***@.not
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Post by Les
Post by m***@.not
Post by Les
Post by felix_unger
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their
beliefs... "It doesn't exist!"
Is this part of our 'atheist beliefs system' we keep hearing
vague rumour about?
Apparently you're not aware of different types of atheism.
Post by Les
The ones that are so secret even we are not not permitted
to know what they are?
You certainly seem to be completely clueless about something that's common
knowledge to plenty of people. Don't you have any clue at all what the
difference between strong atheism and weak atheism is? Here's a clue for you: If
you don't have any belief about the existence of God you are a weak atheist. If
you have the belief that God does not exist at all or even that no god has ever
had any influence on this planet then you DO have a belief making you a strong
atheist. IF you are a strong atheist, the amount of faith you have that your
belief is correct is what determines how strong an atheist you are.
Thank you for your post
You're welcome.
Post by Les
I will respond when you calm down and stop hurling insults
and accusation of ignorance at me. OK
If you were not ignorant of the fact that strong atheism is a belief, then
you dishonestly pretended to be. So which was it? Were you honestly ignorant, or
deliberately dishonest? Those are the only two possibilities in the situation
YOU created. Are you now going to feel insulted because I pointed out the fact
that YOU created the situation?
Two points I would like to make here:

1 The belief that gods do not exist, which some of us have (but
not me), is a single belief and not a 'belief SYSTEM'.

2 Those that talk about this mysterious 'belief system' do not
attribute it just to those that have the belief gods do not exists.
If they did it would not be a mystery would it?

As far as I can recall they have never discriminated between us and
have always attributed it to all of us. So it is clearly nothing to do
with the fact that some of us believe gods do not exist.
--
Les Hellawell
Greeting from:
YORKSHIRE - Europe's top Destination 2013
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23930147

"In our more diverse and secular society, the place of religion has
come to be a matter of lively discussion. It is rightly acknowledged
that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue and that the wellbeing
and prosperity of the nation depend on the contribution of individuals
and groups of all faiths and of none. "

- Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II
- from a speech to the Synond of the Church of England in 2010
Freedom Man
2013-12-07 18:01:39 UTC
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Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their beliefs...
"It doesn't exist!"
No, the fact that science has not yet explained some phenomena does not
justify the ignorant assumption that it cannot.
Myth and superstition always fade in the light shed by true knowledge.
That's why the religious idiots oppose scientific progress!
felix_unger
2013-12-07 22:51:48 UTC
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Post by Freedom Man
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their beliefs...
"It doesn't exist!"
No, the fact that science has not yet explained some phenomena does not
justify the ignorant assumption that it cannot.
correct
Post by Freedom Man
Myth and superstition always fade in the light shed by true knowledge.
That's why the religious idiots oppose scientific progress!
--
rgds,

Pete
-------
“People sleep peacefully in their beds only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf”
Jeanne Douglas
2013-12-07 23:52:29 UTC
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Post by felix_unger
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their
beliefs... "It doesn't exist!"
What beliefs?
--
JD

"If our country is going broke, let it be from
feeding the poor and caring for the elderly.
And not from pampering the rich and fighting
wars for them."--Living Blue in a Red State (seen on Facebook)
felix_unger
2013-12-08 02:35:40 UTC
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Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their
beliefs... "It doesn't exist!"
What beliefs?
The ones you just praised me for acknowledging, for example
--
rgds,

Pete
-------
“People sleep peacefully in their beds only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf”
Jeanne Douglas
2013-12-08 02:43:30 UTC
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Post by felix_unger
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their
beliefs... "It doesn't exist!"
What beliefs?
The ones you just praised me for acknowledging, for example
What did I praise?

What beliefs ?
--
JD

"If our country is going broke, let it be from
feeding the poor and caring for the elderly.
And not from pampering the rich and fighting
wars for them."--Living Blue in a Red State (seen on Facebook)
felix_unger
2013-12-08 02:55:03 UTC
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Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their
beliefs... "It doesn't exist!"
What beliefs?
The ones you just praised me for acknowledging, for example
What did I praise?
What beliefs ?
(sigh) don't you even know what you post??
Post by Jeanne Douglas
it seems that atheists don't accept the existence of anything
supra-normal, para-normal, supernatural, etc.,
Precisely. We don't accept the existence of anything that has no
objective and verifiable evidence that it exists.

Thanks for the acknowledgement of our intelligence and sanity.
--
rgds,

Pete
-------
“People sleep peacefully in their beds only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf”
Jeanne Douglas
2013-12-08 03:11:51 UTC
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Post by felix_unger
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their
beliefs... "It doesn't exist!"
What beliefs?
The ones you just praised me for acknowledging, for example
What did I praise?
What beliefs ?
(sigh) don't you even know what you post??
I post a lot, on many subject, both here and elsewhere. That's why it's
polite to leave what you're responding to in the messages you send. It's
necessary to remind me what discussion I'm in.

Now what are these beliefs that you think I have?
Post by felix_unger
Post by Jeanne Douglas
it seems that atheists don't accept the existence of anything
supra-normal, para-normal, supernatural, etc.,
Precisely. We don't accept the existence of anything that has no
objective and verifiable evidence that it exists.
Thanks for the acknowledgement of our intelligence and sanity.
--
JD

"If our country is going broke, let it be from
feeding the poor and caring for the elderly.
And not from pampering the rich and fighting
wars for them."--Living Blue in a Red State (seen on Facebook)
felix_unger
2013-12-08 03:26:29 UTC
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Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their
beliefs... "It doesn't exist!"
What beliefs?
The ones you just praised me for acknowledging, for example
What did I praise?
What beliefs ?
(sigh) don't you even know what you post??
I post a lot, on many subject, both here and elsewhere. That's why it's
polite to leave what you're responding to in the messages you send. It's
necessary to remind me what discussion I'm in.
Now what are these beliefs that you think I have?
Post by felix_unger
Post by Jeanne Douglas
it seems that atheists don't accept the existence of anything
supra-normal, para-normal, supernatural, etc.,
Precisely. We don't accept the existence of anything that has no
objective and verifiable evidence that it exists.
but to save excessive posting, I will cut to the chase:.. you either
believe such things don't exist, or they do exist, or are agnostic about
them ie. believe they may or may not exist. You can't escape the fact
that you have a believe about such things.
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
Thanks for the acknowledgement of our intelligence and sanity.
some atheists are intelligent, some are very intelligent, and some are
very, very stupid, angry, biased and hateful
--
rgds,

Pete
-------
“People sleep peacefully in their beds only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf”
Jeanne Douglas
2013-12-08 08:22:32 UTC
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Post by felix_unger
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their
beliefs... "It doesn't exist!"
What beliefs?
The ones you just praised me for acknowledging, for example
What did I praise?
What beliefs ?
(sigh) don't you even know what you post??
I post a lot, on many subject, both here and elsewhere. That's why it's
polite to leave what you're responding to in the messages you send. It's
necessary to remind me what discussion I'm in.
Now what are these beliefs that you think I have?
Post by felix_unger
Post by Jeanne Douglas
it seems that atheists don't accept the existence of anything
supra-normal, para-normal, supernatural, etc.,
Precisely. We don't accept the existence of anything that has no
objective and verifiable evidence that it exists.
That's not a belief. That's absence of a belief.
Post by felix_unger
but to save excessive posting, I will cut to the chase:.. you either
believe such things don't exist, or they do exist, or are agnostic about
them ie. believe they may or may not exist. You can't escape the fact
that you have a believe about such things.
I have no belief at all in any of those things.

Without evidence, only a fool forms an opinion or belief.
--
JD

"If our country is going broke, let it be from
feeding the poor and caring for the elderly.
And not from pampering the rich and fighting
wars for them."--Living Blue in a Red State (seen on Facebook)
felix_unger
2013-12-08 09:09:19 UTC
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Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their
beliefs... "It doesn't exist!"
What beliefs?
The ones you just praised me for acknowledging, for example
What did I praise?
What beliefs ?
(sigh) don't you even know what you post??
I post a lot, on many subject, both here and elsewhere. That's why it's
polite to leave what you're responding to in the messages you send. It's
necessary to remind me what discussion I'm in.
Now what are these beliefs that you think I have?
Post by felix_unger
Post by Jeanne Douglas
it seems that atheists don't accept the existence of anything
supra-normal, para-normal, supernatural, etc.,
Precisely. We don't accept the existence of anything that has no
objective and verifiable evidence that it exists.
That's not a belief. That's absence of a belief.
Post by felix_unger
but to save excessive posting, I will cut to the chase:.. you either
believe such things don't exist, or they do exist, or are agnostic about
them ie. believe they may or may not exist. You can't escape the fact
that you have a believe about such things.
I have no belief at all in any of those things.
Without evidence, only a fool forms an opinion or belief.
You can't escape from the rationality that if you don't believe they do
exist, and don't believe they don't exist, then by default you believe
they may or may not exist, which is what you have said, whether you like
it or not
--
rgds,

Pete
-------
“People sleep peacefully in their beds only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf”
Jeanne Douglas
2013-12-08 11:21:39 UTC
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Post by felix_unger
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their
beliefs... "It doesn't exist!"
What beliefs?
The ones you just praised me for acknowledging, for example
What did I praise?
What beliefs ?
(sigh) don't you even know what you post??
I post a lot, on many subject, both here and elsewhere. That's why it's
polite to leave what you're responding to in the messages you send. It's
necessary to remind me what discussion I'm in.
Now what are these beliefs that you think I have?
Post by felix_unger
Post by Jeanne Douglas
it seems that atheists don't accept the existence of anything
supra-normal, para-normal, supernatural, etc.,
Precisely. We don't accept the existence of anything that has no
objective and verifiable evidence that it exists.
That's not a belief. That's absence of a belief.
Post by felix_unger
but to save excessive posting, I will cut to the chase:.. you either
believe such things don't exist, or they do exist, or are agnostic about
them ie. believe they may or may not exist. You can't escape the fact
that you have a believe about such things.
I have no belief at all in any of those things.
Without evidence, only a fool forms an opinion or belief.
You can't escape from the rationality that if you don't believe they do
exist, and don't believe they don't exist, then by default you believe
they may or may not exist, which is what you have said, whether you like
it or not
Now you're getting it. Good.
--
JD

"If our country is going broke, let it be from
feeding the poor and caring for the elderly.
And not from pampering the rich and fighting
wars for them."--Living Blue in a Red State (seen on Facebook)
felix_unger
2013-12-08 11:50:01 UTC
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Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their
beliefs... "It doesn't exist!"
What beliefs?
The ones you just praised me for acknowledging, for example
What did I praise?
What beliefs ?
(sigh) don't you even know what you post??
I post a lot, on many subject, both here and elsewhere. That's why it's
polite to leave what you're responding to in the messages you send. It's
necessary to remind me what discussion I'm in.
Now what are these beliefs that you think I have?
Post by felix_unger
Post by Jeanne Douglas
it seems that atheists don't accept the existence of anything
supra-normal, para-normal, supernatural, etc.,
Precisely. We don't accept the existence of anything that has no
objective and verifiable evidence that it exists.
That's not a belief. That's absence of a belief.
Post by felix_unger
but to save excessive posting, I will cut to the chase:.. you either
believe such things don't exist, or they do exist, or are agnostic about
them ie. believe they may or may not exist. You can't escape the fact
that you have a believe about such things.
I have no belief at all in any of those things.
Without evidence, only a fool forms an opinion or belief.
You can't escape from the rationality that if you don't believe they do
exist, and don't believe they don't exist, then by default you believe
they may or may not exist, which is what you have said, whether you like
it or not
Now you're getting it. Good.
You are one greatly confused person. first you deny you have any
beliefs, when I claim you do, then when I explain why you do, you agree!
--
rgds,

Pete
-------
“People sleep peacefully in their beds only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf”
Jeanne Douglas
2013-12-08 12:00:40 UTC
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Post by felix_unger
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their
beliefs... "It doesn't exist!"
What beliefs?
The ones you just praised me for acknowledging, for example
What did I praise?
What beliefs ?
(sigh) don't you even know what you post??
I post a lot, on many subject, both here and elsewhere. That's why it's
polite to leave what you're responding to in the messages you send. It's
necessary to remind me what discussion I'm in.
Now what are these beliefs that you think I have?
Post by felix_unger
Post by Jeanne Douglas
it seems that atheists don't accept the existence of anything
supra-normal, para-normal, supernatural, etc.,
Precisely. We don't accept the existence of anything that has no
objective and verifiable evidence that it exists.
That's not a belief. That's absence of a belief.
Post by felix_unger
but to save excessive posting, I will cut to the chase:.. you either
believe such things don't exist, or they do exist, or are agnostic about
them ie. believe they may or may not exist. You can't escape the fact
that you have a believe about such things.
I have no belief at all in any of those things.
Without evidence, only a fool forms an opinion or belief.
You can't escape from the rationality that if you don't believe they do
exist, and don't believe they don't exist, then by default you believe
they may or may not exist, which is what you have said, whether you like
it or not
Now you're getting it. Good.
You are one greatly confused person. first you deny you have any
beliefs, when I claim you do, then when I explain why you do, you agree!
Believing something may or may not exist is not a belief. It's the lack
of a belief.

Sheesh!
--
JD

"If our country is going broke, let it be from
feeding the poor and caring for the elderly.
And not from pampering the rich and fighting
wars for them."--Living Blue in a Red State (seen on Facebook)
felix_unger
2013-12-08 12:09:13 UTC
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Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their
beliefs... "It doesn't exist!"
What beliefs?
The ones you just praised me for acknowledging, for example
What did I praise?
What beliefs ?
(sigh) don't you even know what you post??
I post a lot, on many subject, both here and elsewhere. That's why it's
polite to leave what you're responding to in the messages you send. It's
necessary to remind me what discussion I'm in.
Now what are these beliefs that you think I have?
Post by felix_unger
Post by Jeanne Douglas
it seems that atheists don't accept the existence of anything
supra-normal, para-normal, supernatural, etc.,
Precisely. We don't accept the existence of anything that has no
objective and verifiable evidence that it exists.
That's not a belief. That's absence of a belief.
Post by felix_unger
but to save excessive posting, I will cut to the chase:.. you either
believe such things don't exist, or they do exist, or are agnostic about
them ie. believe they may or may not exist. You can't escape the fact
that you have a believe about such things.
I have no belief at all in any of those things.
Without evidence, only a fool forms an opinion or belief.
You can't escape from the rationality that if you don't believe they do
exist, and don't believe they don't exist, then by default you believe
they may or may not exist, which is what you have said, whether you like
it or not
Now you're getting it. Good.
You are one greatly confused person. first you deny you have any
beliefs, when I claim you do, then when I explain why you do, you agree!
Believing something may or may not exist is not a belief. It's the lack
of a belief.
Sheesh!
You've just stated that a belief is a lack of belief. That's nonsense!
Let's suppose my coffee cup is empty. I don't say I lack a belief that
it's full, I say I believe it's empty!
--
rgds,

Pete
-------
“People sleep peacefully in their beds only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf”
linuxgal
2013-12-09 01:04:32 UTC
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You've just stated that a belief is a lack of belief. That's nonsense!
Let's suppose my coffee cup is empty. I don't say I lack a belief that
it's full, I say I believe it's empty!
I say evidence for coffee is not detected.
--
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http://www.cleanposts.com
m***@.not
2013-12-08 19:46:55 UTC
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Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their
beliefs... "It doesn't exist!"
What beliefs?
The ones you just praised me for acknowledging, for example
What did I praise?
What beliefs ?
(sigh) don't you even know what you post??
I post a lot, on many subject, both here and elsewhere. That's why it's
polite to leave what you're responding to in the messages you send. It's
necessary to remind me what discussion I'm in.
Now what are these beliefs that you think I have?
Post by felix_unger
Post by Jeanne Douglas
it seems that atheists don't accept the existence of anything
supra-normal, para-normal, supernatural, etc.,
Precisely. We don't accept the existence of anything that has no
objective and verifiable evidence that it exists.
That's not a belief. That's absence of a belief.
Post by felix_unger
but to save excessive posting, I will cut to the chase:.. you either
believe such things don't exist, or they do exist, or are agnostic about
them ie. believe they may or may not exist. You can't escape the fact
that you have a believe about such things.
I have no belief at all in any of those things.
Without evidence, only a fool forms an opinion or belief.
You can't escape from the rationality that if you don't believe they do
exist, and don't believe they don't exist, then by default you believe
they may or may not exist, which is what you have said, whether you like
it or not
Now you're getting it. Good.
You are one greatly confused person. first you deny you have any
beliefs, when I claim you do, then when I explain why you do, you agree!
Believing something may or may not exist is not a belief.
It's two beliefs. You believe God may exist. You also believe he may not
exist.
Post by Jeanne Douglas
It's the lack of a belief.
You just mentioned two beliefs and then said they are not beliefs. The
"'Believing" part is something that really should clue you in to the fact that
they are beliefs. Do you believe ghosts may exist, or only that God may exist?
linuxgal
2013-12-09 01:11:37 UTC
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Post by felix_unger
You can't escape from the rationality that if you don't believe they do
exist, and don't believe they don't exist, then by default you believe
they may or may not exist, which is what you have said, whether you like
it or not
One cannot not say "A four-sided triangle may or may not exist", because
it cannot exist, by definition. The God defined by most theists cannot
exist, simply because an eternal being who can see all of history and
the future as a panoply cannot be conscious of the current time, thus
negating his alleged omniscience. There are other approaches to the
same idea, such as the triple horns of evil, omnibenevolence, and
omnipotence.
--
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felix_unger
2013-12-08 21:05:51 UTC
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Post by linuxgal
Post by felix_unger
You can't escape from the rationality that if you don't believe they
do exist, and don't believe they don't exist, then by default you
believe they may or may not exist, which is what you have said,
whether you like it or not
One cannot not say "A four-sided triangle may or may not exist",
because it cannot exist, by definition.
but we're talking about beliefs not facts
Post by linuxgal
The God defined by most theists cannot exist, simply because an
eternal being who can see all of history and the future as a panoply
cannot be conscious of the current time, thus negating his alleged
omniscience. There are other approaches to the same idea, such as the
triple horns of evil, omnibenevolence, and omnipotence.
--
rgds,

Pete
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“People sleep peacefully in their beds only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf”
george152
2013-12-08 19:32:53 UTC
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Post by felix_unger
some atheists are intelligent, some are very intelligent, and some are
very, very stupid, angry, biased and hateful
The very, very stupid, angry, biased and hateful are, in the main,
believers who try to destroy anything not 'theirs' or paret of their
belief system.
Not sceptics
m***@.not
2013-12-08 19:33:09 UTC
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Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their
beliefs... "It doesn't exist!"
What beliefs?
If you believe there are no gods in the universe or even that there are none
associated with this planet, then that's probably the belief he was referring
to. He might also take it for granted that if a person believes there is no God
associated with this planet, that person probably also believes there are no
ghosts associated with this planet. Maybe there are people who believe there's
no God associated but that there are ghosts, but they would probably be very
rare imo.
Jeanne Douglas
2013-12-08 22:40:21 UTC
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Post by m***@.not
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their
beliefs... "It doesn't exist!"
What beliefs?
If you believe there are no gods in the universe or even that there are none
associated with this planet, then that's probably the belief he was referring
to.
But I believe no such thing.
Post by m***@.not
He might also take it for granted that if a person believes there is no
God
associated with this planet, that person probably also believes there are no
ghosts associated with this planet. Maybe there are people who believe there's
no God associated but that there are ghosts, but they would probably be very
rare imo.
I'm not responsible for credulous idiots.
--
JD

"If our country is going broke, let it be from
feeding the poor and caring for the elderly.
And not from pampering the rich and fighting
wars for them."--Living Blue in a Red State (seen on Facebook)
m***@.not
2013-12-09 22:30:30 UTC
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On Sun, 08 Dec 2013 14:40:21 -0800, Jeanne Douglas <***@NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:
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Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by m***@.not
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by felix_unger
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their
beliefs... "It doesn't exist!"
What beliefs?
If you believe there are no gods in the universe or even that there are none
associated with this planet, then that's probably the belief he was referring
to.
But I believe no such thing.
IF not then apparently what he referred to doesn't apply to you. Whether it
does or not, in case you're unaware of the fact strong atheism is a belief. It's
the belief that there is no God associated with this planet, and in some cases
that there are none anywhere in the universe. The latter part is not necessary
in order for a person to believe as a strong atheist though...only that they
believe there's no God associated with Earth. If you were unaware of that, it's
good that you now have been exposed to the truth about it.
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by m***@.not
He might also take it for granted that if a person believes there is no
God
associated with this planet, that person probably also believes there are no
ghosts associated with this planet. Maybe there are people who believe there's
no God associated but that there are ghosts, but they would probably be very
rare imo.
I'm not responsible for credulous idiots.
Do you think anyone is, and if so, what do you think such responsibility has
to do with this particular topic? If not, then why did you even say anything
about such a thing?
Sylvia Else
2013-12-08 12:08:28 UTC
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Post by felix_unger
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their
beliefs... "It doesn't exist!"
No, they say "show us one that couldn't have been faked."

Any competent conjuror could stage what was shown in the video.

Sylvia.
Freedom Man
2013-12-08 15:29:27 UTC
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Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their beliefs...
"It doesn't exist!"
No, the fact that science has not yet explained some phenomena does not
justify the ignorant assumption that it cannot.
Myth and superstition always fade in the light shed by true knowledge.
That's why the religious idiots oppose scientific progress!
m***@.not
2013-12-08 19:58:25 UTC
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Post by Freedom Man
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their beliefs...
"It doesn't exist!"
No, the fact that science has not yet explained some phenomena does not
justify the ignorant assumption that it cannot.
Myth and superstition always fade in the light shed by true knowledge.
That's why the religious idiots oppose scientific progress!
The people who consider the possibility of God's existence that are not
idiots, try to figure out how the things science tells us can go along with the
existence and influence of God. For example the fossils that support evolution
suggest that if God does exist and had/has influence on how things develop, he
made/makes use of the evolutionary method of creation. The fact that humans
aren't aware of any species giving birth to completely different species
suggests that God does exist and had a stronger influece than just letting
evolution take place all by itself, since if it did there would have to be
hundreds of thousands if not millions of examples of species giving birth to
different species. Also if evolution happened completely by random chance all by
itself it seems there should still today and always be examples of things like
species of beings like reptiles gradually transforming into birds, instead of
none in existence at all and the only evidence that it might have ever happened
being a few odd fossils of Archaeopteryx.
Jeanne Douglas
2013-12-08 22:36:25 UTC
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Post by m***@.not
Post by Freedom Man
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their beliefs...
"It doesn't exist!"
No, the fact that science has not yet explained some phenomena does not
justify the ignorant assumption that it cannot.
Myth and superstition always fade in the light shed by true knowledge.
That's why the religious idiots oppose scientific progress!
The people who consider the possibility of God's existence that are not
idiots, try to figure out how the things science tells us can go along with the
existence and influence of God. For example the fossils that support evolution
suggest that if God does exist and had/has influence on how things develop, he
made/makes use of the evolutionary method of creation. The fact that humans
aren't aware of any species giving birth to completely different species
suggests that God does exist
Complete and total nonsense. That is NOT how evolution works, you dweeb.
--
JD

"If our country is going broke, let it be from
feeding the poor and caring for the elderly.
And not from pampering the rich and fighting
wars for them."--Living Blue in a Red State (seen on Facebook)
BruceS
2013-12-09 16:27:36 UTC
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Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by m***@.not
Post by Freedom Man
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their beliefs...
"It doesn't exist!"
No, the fact that science has not yet explained some phenomena does not
justify the ignorant assumption that it cannot.
Myth and superstition always fade in the light shed by true knowledge.
That's why the religious idiots oppose scientific progress!
The people who consider the possibility of God's existence that are not
idiots, try to figure out how the things science tells us can go along with the
existence and influence of God. For example the fossils that support evolution
suggest that if God does exist and had/has influence on how things develop, he
made/makes use of the evolutionary method of creation. The fact that humans
aren't aware of any species giving birth to completely different species
suggests that God does exist
Complete and total nonsense. That is NOT how evolution works, you dweeb.
Now, now, there's no need for name calling. Surely he is perfectly
capable of identifying his own nature without your help.
m***@.not
2013-12-09 22:30:39 UTC
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On Sun, 08 Dec 2013 14:36:25 -0800, Jeanne Douglas <***@NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:
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Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by m***@.not
Post by Freedom Man
Post by Emmett Till
HOW DO ATHEISTS EXPLAIN POLTERGEIST LEVITATION?
http://youtu.be/MDjwQIneBks
The same way they respond to everything that doesn't fit their beliefs...
"It doesn't exist!"
No, the fact that science has not yet explained some phenomena does not
justify the ignorant assumption that it cannot.
Myth and superstition always fade in the light shed by true knowledge.
That's why the religious idiots oppose scientific progress!
The people who consider the possibility of God's existence that are not
idiots, try to figure out how the things science tells us can go along with the
existence and influence of God. For example the fossils that support evolution
suggest that if God does exist and had/has influence on how things develop, he
made/makes use of the evolutionary method of creation. The fact that humans
aren't aware of any species giving birth to completely different species
suggests that God does exist
Complete and total nonsense.
Not unless you can explain how millions of different species came into
existenence with no species giving rise to any other species, and without the
help from a force like God is supposed to be.
Post by Jeanne Douglas
That is NOT how evolution works, you dweeb.
If you want people to believe different species were not responsible for the
beginnings of new species, then what do you want them to think was responsible?
Plants? Rocks? Did they just poof into existence? Or what???
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