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reincarnation
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David Dalton
2015-01-08 05:19:04 UTC
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Do you believe in reincarnation? If so, do you have
any evidence for it?
can you tell me what constitutes "proof"? thank you in advance :)
I didn't say proof; I said evidence.
But what constitutes evidence?

One person who e-mailed
me said that he often goes to places where he had never
been before and feels that he has been there before. He
also said that he knows (or at least knows of) two-year-old
children who play a musical instrument at professional
level.

In the movie Little Buddha, the child identifies a
personal possession ( a rice bowl) of his supposed
previous incarnation.

I guess it would help if someone could lead investigators
to a buried treasure or archaeological site, but that
could probably be faked.

Likewise someone coming up with little-known facts
about a previous incarnation during past life
regression would be evidence, but also could be faked.

What other forms of evidence can you think of?
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David Dalton
2015-01-08 05:23:06 UTC
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Post by David Dalton
Do you believe in reincarnation? If so, do you have
any evidence for it?
can you tell me what constitutes "proof"? thank you in advance :)
I didn't say proof; I said evidence.
But what constitutes evidence?
One person who e-mailed
me said that he often
Correction, he said "at times", not "often."
Post by David Dalton
goes to places where he had never
been before and feels that he has been there before. He
also said that he knows (or at least knows of) two-year-old
children who play a musical instrument at professional
level.
In the movie Little Buddha, the child identifies a
personal possession ( a rice bowl) of his supposed
previous incarnation.
I guess it would help if someone could lead investigators
to a buried treasure or archaeological site, but that
could probably be faked.
Likewise someone coming up with little-known facts
about a previous incarnation during past life
regression would be evidence, but also could be faked.
What other forms of evidence can you think of?
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David Dalton ***@nfld.com http://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page)
http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
"Far across the moonbeam I know that's who you are,
I saw your brown eyes turning once to fire." (Neil Young)
JTEM
2015-01-08 15:29:51 UTC
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Post by David Dalton
Likewise someone coming up with little-known facts
about a previous incarnation during past life
regression would be evidence, but also could be faked.
What other forms of evidence can you think of?
Speaking of irony...

The craziness here is in thinking that any evidence
couldn't be faked. Scientists have faked data, police
crime labs have faked results, people lie all the
time... you name it, people can and have faked it.

So, "Could be faked" is in fact a "Fake" concern,
as it implies that this would/could not ordinarily
be a possibility. It's always a possibility, for
EVERY subject.

Now...

In cultures where reincarnation is widely believed you
can find any number of genuinely strange coincidences.
Of course, places like India are so huge that even a
telephone book sized accumulation of stories could
hardly be called "Compelling," especially if you don't
know the time frame in which they were collected.

Of course, we're approaching 1.3 billion (that's
"Billion," with a 'B') people in India, so if
you collect "Data" of several generations even the
one-in-ten-million shots are going to fill books.

Current births in India: About 25 million per year.

So, if a person has only a one in ten million chance
of experiencing a coincidence that looks like
reincarnation, that's 2.5 people (on average) each
year being born who will experience such a
coincidence... multiply that over a generation or
more... there.

The problem isn't anyone faking evidence, the problem
is how a reasonable person might reasonably evaluate
evidence.

True believers will merely accept any and all
evidence without question, while fake "Skeptics"
(the Randibots) will simply auto reject any
evidence that contradicts their dogma.

You can start being rational by exploring your
fallacious "could probably be faked" concern when
in fact it applies to ALL evidence for every
subject.





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Oxyaena
2015-01-11 09:27:40 UTC
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Post by David Dalton
Do you believe in reincarnation? If so, do you have
any evidence for it?
can you tell me what constitutes "proof"? thank you in advance :)
I didn't say proof; I said evidence.
But what constitutes evidence?
One person who e-mailed
me said that he often goes to places where he had never
been before and feels that he has been there before. He
also said that he knows (or at least knows of) two-year-old
children who play a musical instrument at professional
level.
In the movie Little Buddha, the child identifies a
personal possession ( a rice bowl) of his supposed
previous incarnation.
I guess it would help if someone could lead investigators
to a buried treasure or archaeological site, but that
could probably be faked.
Likewise someone coming up with little-known facts
about a previous incarnation during past life
regression would be evidence, but also could be faked.
What other forms of evidence can you think of?
Idiot strikes again:

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JTEM
2015-01-14 17:05:47 UTC
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"You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It
Means What You Think It Means."
--The Princess Bride

Quote frankly, when the above three words are
the longest, most coherent post you've managed
using this handle in quite some time, perhaps
you should refrain from using words like "Idiot."




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