There Are Only Two Possibilities

Post by Andrew
"There are only two possibilities as to how life arose. One
is spontaneous generation arising to evolution; the other is a
supernatural creative act of God.

Please list any phenomenon that has been shown to be the result of a
supernatural act. If you can't, why would you think that's a
possibility in this case? Seriously, you're like the kids in "Scooby
Doo": no matter how many times it turns out to be the caretaker when
they pull off the mask, they never seem to make the leap to realizing
"Hey! Maybe there's no such thing as ghosts!".

Andrew

2014-10-21 01:56:26 UTC

Post by Andrew
"There are only two possibilities as to how life arose. One
is spontaneous generation arising to evolution; the other is a
supernatural creative act of God.

Please list any phenomenon that has been shown to be the
result of a supernatural act.

The entire Creation.

raven1

2014-10-21 13:05:05 UTC

Post by Andrew
"There are only two possibilities as to how life arose. One
is spontaneous generation arising to evolution; the other is a
supernatural creative act of God.

Please list any phenomenon that has been shown to be the
result of a supernatural act.

The entire Creation.

You apparently have trouble distinguishing between "shown to be" and
"asserted to be". Try again.

Lormaria Prakanakatakapan

2014-10-24 11:01:38 UTC

Post by Andrew
"There are only two possibilities as to how life arose. One
is spontaneous generation arising to evolution; the other is a
supernatural creative act of God.

Please list any phenomenon that has been shown to be the
result of a supernatural act.

The entire Creation.

You've nominated a phenomenon, now do the rest of the work.

Christopher A. Lee

2014-10-24 14:58:00 UTC

On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 12:01:38 +0100, Lormaria Prakanakatakapan

Post by Andrew
"There are only two possibilities

Why do we know there's going to be a false dichotomy?

Post by Andrew
as to how life arose. One
is spontaneous generation arising to evolution;

Liar.

A deliberately dishonest straw man.

Post by Andrew
the other is a supernatural creative act of God.

Liar.

He knows perfectly well that if it _could_ have been his particular
god that opens the door to all the others past, present and all those
that haven't been invented yet.

The combination of false dichotomy between a strawman caricature and
their baseless belief, is very common in theists to try and "justify"
their nonsense among themselves.

But they have to be mind-bogglingly stupid to use it on the educated,
intelligent and knowledgeable.

Post by raven1
Please list any phenomenon that has been shown to be the
result of a supernatural act.

The entire Creation.

Liar. He knows he has never shown this, just asserted it.

Post by Lormaria Prakanakatakapan
You've nominated a phenomenon, now do the rest of the work.

Those who brainwashed him in infancy child told him, in what amounts
to child abuse with constant reinforcement into adulthood, in a cycle
that has been going on for generations.

In the unlikely event he ever has kids, because I can't imagine any
woman that dumb, he would do the same to them.

But I doubt he will ever have a wife and family - he is an inadequate
who cannot relate to other people. He has no contact with anybody else
apart possibly at church services where people won't sit next to him
in case he talks to them. So he comes here to provoke a reaction
because being treated as a sociopath and a moron is better than being
ignored completely.

m***@.not.

2014-10-27 22:43:52 UTC

On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 09:58:00 -0500, Wuss Lee wrote:
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Post by Christopher A. Lee
On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 12:01:38 +0100, Lormaria Prakanakatakapan

Post by Andrew
"There are only two possibilities

Why do we know there's going to be a false dichotomy?

When you post we can predict that you will lie, and that you will display
your own ignorance AND stupidity in addition to your blatant dishonesty.

Post by Christopher A. Lee

Post by Andrew
as to how life arose. One
is spontaneous generation arising to evolution;

Liar.
A deliberately dishonest straw man.

Post by Andrew
the other is a supernatural creative act of God.

Liar.
He knows perfectly well that if it _could_ have been his particular
god that opens the door to all the others past, present and all those
that haven't been invented yet.
The combination of false dichotomy between a strawman caricature and
their baseless belief, is very common in theists to try and "justify"
their nonsense among themselves.
But they have to be mind-bogglingly stupid to use it on the educated,
intelligent and knowledgeable.

That certainly doesn't include you atheists, Wuss. You people can't even get
as "far" as the basic starting lines. One of those is the fact that there might
be a God or gods associated with Earth. Some of you like people to think you can
consider that possibility, but NONE OF YOU are able to provide any evidence that
you actually can. Another basic starting line you can't get as "far" as is the
fact that if there is a God or are gods associated with this planet, people have
varying beliefs about him/them and refer to him/them in a number of different
ways. Your childlike naive way of "thinking" about that aspect of the situation
is exactly like a person who believes there are a lot of different moons because
of the different names people have for it, and the fact that it looks different
because of its postion relative to Sol and Earth.

Post by Christopher A. Lee

Post by raven1
Please list any phenomenon that has been shown to be the
result of a supernatural act.

The entire Creation.

Liar. He knows he has never shown this, just asserted it.

Post by Lormaria Prakanakatakapan
You've nominated a phenomenon, now do the rest of the work.

Those who brainwashed him in infancy child told him, in what amounts
to child abuse with constant reinforcement into adulthood, in a cycle
that has been going on for generations.
In the unlikely event he ever has kids, because I can't imagine any
woman that dumb, he would do the same to them.
But I doubt he will ever have a wife and family - he is an inadequate
who cannot relate to other people. He has no contact with anybody else
apart possibly at church services where people won't sit next to him
in case he talks to them.

Provide your evidence. So far it seems that all you have is your own faith
that your unevidenced claim is correct, unless of course you're just lying
blatantly again as we've seen you do countless times. When you can't produce
your evidence it will be proof that you ARE blatantly lying again, so let's just
jump ahead to that point and save a few posts or a few more wussings on your
part, and go ahead now to explain WHY you felt it was somehow superior for you
to blatantly lie again, than it would have been for you to simply have not lied.

b***@m.nu

2014-10-20 13:54:07 UTC

you are so damn retarded it is just amazing how you could even say
something like that

Post by Andrew
A supernatural creative act of God. I will not accept that
philosophically because I do not want to believe in God,
therefore I choose to believe that which I know is scientifically
impossible; spontaneous generation arising to evolution."
~ Dr. George Wald- Nobel Laureate
Scientific American August, 1954
How foolish for one believe a falsehood simply
because they are uncomfortable with the truth.
Yet that is exactly what many fools are doing
this very day.

As I was saying purely retarded

Christopher A. Lee

2014-10-20 14:02:43 UTC

you are so damn retarded it is just amazing how you could even say
something like that

As I was saying purely retarded

The proven serial Liar For God was using a fabricated "quote" to make
it look as if Wald held views he didn't, to use as a bogus argument
from authority.

It's in the quote mine project at...

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/quotes/mine/part1-4.html#quote57

Andrew

2014-10-21 02:10:33 UTC

you are so damn retarded it is just amazing how you could
even say something like that

This is why I like alt.atheism. They often confirm what I say
by responding with ad homs and insults, and being unable to
successfully refute my position.

As I was saying purely retarded

Thanks bilgat!

b***@m.nu

2014-10-21 03:46:02 UTC

you are so damn retarded it is just amazing how you could
even say something like that

This is why I like alt.atheism. They often confirm what I say
by responding with ad homs and insults, and being unable to
successfully refute my position.

you are seriously an idiot. if you dont know all the many way that
life could have come to earth then you seriously need to repeat the
5th grade

b***@m.nu

2014-10-20 13:56:43 UTC

Post by Andrew
"There are only two possibilities as to how life arose. One
is spontaneous generation

you are talking abiogenesis.... and no scientists do NOT think that
frogs arose from the scum of a pond or that worms were created from
mud.. You seriously need to look up spontaneous generation and learn
what it means because you are seriously retarded

Bob Casanova

2014-10-20 17:49:49 UTC

On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:56:43 -0500, the following appeared

Post by Andrew
"There are only two possibilities as to how life arose. One
is spontaneous generation

They conflate abiogenesis with "spontaneous generation" a la
Louis Pasteur for one of two reasons. Either they're so
genuinely ignorant that they don't know the difference and
too stupid to learn it, or they lie in order to attempt to
make talking points.

--
Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

Andrew

2014-10-21 02:15:22 UTC

Post by Bob Casanova
On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:56:43 -0500, the following appeared

Post by Andrew
"There are only two possibilities as to how life arose. One
is spontaneous generation

Hey Bob, listen up! The law of biogenesis remains firmly
established. Life comes only from preexisting life and that
of its own kind.

Bob Casanova

2014-10-21 17:48:52 UTC

On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 19:15:22 -0700, the following appeared
in sci.skeptic, posted by "Andrew"

Post by Bob Casanova
On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:56:43 -0500, the following appeared

Post by Andrew
"There are only two possibilities as to how life arose. One
is spontaneous generation

Hey Bob, listen up! The law of biogenesis remains firmly
established. Life comes only from preexisting life and that
of its own kind.

Abiogenesis is not spontaneous generation as investigated by
Pasteur. As I said, you're either so genuinely ignorant that
you don't know the difference and too stupid to learn it, or
you lie in order to attempt to make talking points.

--
Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

Jørgen Farum Jensen

2014-10-21 21:47:38 UTC

Post by Bob Casanova
On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:56:43 -0500, the following appeared

Post by Andrew
"There are only two possibilities as to how life arose. One
is spontaneous generation

Hey Bob, listen up! The law of biogenesis remains firmly
established. Life comes only from preexisting life and that
of its own kind.

Except for a few times many many years ago.

--
Jorgen Farum Jensen

b***@m.nu

2014-10-20 13:58:46 UTC

actually there are several. but one thing is for sure everthing that
is inside of you and everything else in this universe was all created
from inside stars...

Andrew

2014-10-21 02:27:01 UTC

actually there are several. but one thing is for sure everthing that
is inside of you and everything else in this universe was all created
from inside stars...

What a fantastic "story".

Lol!

Wait now.. What is the *origin* of all of
these stars that you think you came from?

"The origin of stars represents one of the
most fundamental, unsolved problems of
contemporary astrophysics."
~ Charles J. Lada and Frank Shu
Science, Vol. 248, p.564

b***@m.nu

2014-10-21 03:48:15 UTC

actually there are several. but one thing is for sure everthing that
is inside of you and everything else in this universe was all created
from inside stars...

What a fantastic "story".
Lol!
Wait now.. What is the *origin* of all of
these stars that you think you came from?
"The origin of stars represents one of the
most fundamental, unsolved problems of
contemporary astrophysics."
~ Charles J. Lada and Frank Shu
Science, Vol. 248, p.564

Yeah buddy what is the origin of your god?

Andrew

2014-10-21 05:08:22 UTC

actually there are several. but one thing is for sure everthing that
is inside of you and everything else in this universe was all created
from inside stars...

What a fantastic "story".
Lol!
Wait now.. What is the *origin* of all of
these stars that you think you came from?
"The origin of stars represents one of the
most fundamental, unsolved problems of
contemporary astrophysics."
~ Charles J. Lada and Frank Shu
Science, Vol. 248, p.564

Yeah buddy what is the origin of your god?

The above is the atheist default response that
they always resort to..only when they see that
they are completely stumped.

b***@m.nu

2014-10-21 13:06:51 UTC

actually there are several. but one thing is for sure everthing that
is inside of you and everything else in this universe was all created
from inside stars...

What a fantastic "story".
Lol!
Wait now.. What is the *origin* of all of
these stars that you think you came from?
"The origin of stars represents one of the
most fundamental, unsolved problems of
contemporary astrophysics."
~ Charles J. Lada and Frank Shu
Science, Vol. 248, p.564

Yeah buddy what is the origin of your god?

The above is the atheist default response that
they always resort to..only when they see that
they are completely stumped.

no I can go on to explain the process of hydrogen and helium
compressing under gravitation and then go on to explain how the
hydrogen and helium formed from the matter that was converted from
energy via the higgs boson. then go on to explain particles,
antiparticles, nutrinos, bosons, and several other states of matter
including photons along with the other particles and states of matter
along with what gravity does but It would all be just way over your
bible thumping brain, so there is in fact no need to waste my time.
And this is the reason there is a "default response"; however, that
still has nothing do with the fact that you never answered my
question. So I will ask you once more, where did your god come from?

Christopher A. Lee

2014-10-21 08:37:25 UTC

actually there are several. but one thing is for sure everthing that
is inside of you and everything else in this universe was all created
from inside stars...

What a fantastic "story".
Lol!
Wait now.. What is the *origin* of all of
these stars that you think you came from?
"The origin of stars represents one of the
most fundamental, unsolved problems of
contemporary astrophysics."
~ Charles J. Lada and Frank Shu
Science, Vol. 248, p.564

Yeah buddy what is the origin of your god?

He's insane - it's not a problem and hasn't been one for years.

So given who Lada and Shu are, this must be yet another of his
dishonest mined quotes either fabricated or taken out of context to
make it seem they hold opposite views to the ones they do.

But then Andrew is one of the most dishonest trolls we have ever had
here.

An abstract of the article the proven serial liar pretends says this,
is at...

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/248/4955/564.abstract

Understanding how stars like the sun formed constitutes one of the
principal challenges confronting modern astrophysics. In recent
years, advances in observational technology, particularly at
infrared and millimeter wavelengths, have produced an avalanche of
critical data and unexpected discoveries about the process of star
formation, which is blocked from external view at optical and
shorter wavelengths by an obscuring blanket of interstellar dust.
Fueled by this new knowledge, a comprehensive empirical picture of
stellar genesis is beginning to emerge, laying the foundations for
a coherent theory of the birth of sunlike stars.

Vincent Maycock

2014-10-21 09:44:57 UTC

On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 03:37:25 -0500, Christopher A. Lee

Post by Christopher A. Lee

actually there are several. but one thing is for sure everthing that
is inside of you and everything else in this universe was all created
from inside stars...

What a fantastic "story".
Lol!
Wait now.. What is the *origin* of all of
these stars that you think you came from?
"The origin of stars represents one of the
most fundamental, unsolved problems of
contemporary astrophysics."
~ Charles J. Lada and Frank Shu
Science, Vol. 248, p.564

Yeah buddy what is the origin of your god?

It was the second one. The quote is the opening sentence in an
article they published in 1990, after which they launched into a
discussion about the details of star formation, concluding that we now
have a "deeper understanding" of this process, but certain details in
it remain resistant to our analytical techniques.

So as Seth and I (and maybe others) explained to Andrew back in May,
Lada and Shu were referring to the *details* of the star formation
rather than the broad outlines of that process, which are
well-understood.

Post by Christopher A. Lee
But then Andrew is one of the most dishonest trolls we have ever had
here.
An abstract of the article the proven serial liar pretends says this,
is at...
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/248/4955/564.abstract
Understanding how stars like the sun formed constitutes one of the
principal challenges confronting modern astrophysics. In recent
years, advances in observational technology, particularly at
infrared and millimeter wavelengths, have produced an avalanche of
critical data and unexpected discoveries about the process of star
formation, which is blocked from external view at optical and
shorter wavelengths by an obscuring blanket of interstellar dust.
Fueled by this new knowledge, a comprehensive empirical picture of
stellar genesis is beginning to emerge, laying the foundations for
a coherent theory of the birth of sunlike stars.

Yup, same article. That's the abstract from it, and Andrew's quote is
the next line down.

m***@.not.

2014-10-23 16:09:01 UTC

On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:58:46 -0500, ***@m.nu wrote:
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actually there are several. but one thing is for sure everthing that
is inside of you and everything else in this universe was all created
from inside stars...

If I remember correctly in Genesis the sequence it suggests indicates that
trees came before stars. That of course is an absurd seeming idea, but it
doesn't mean that there's no God associated with Earth or that there's no truth
associated with the Genesis explanation. But one thing is for sure and that is
that not only are you incapable of considering how puzzles like that could be
true, but you're not mentally capable of considering the possibility of a God
being associated with this or any planet in even the most simple and easy of
ways. You are an absolute and entire moron in relation to that subject, unless
of course you are even below the moron level. That's not just a random insult or
possibly even an insult at all, but it IS the way IT IS. So that being fact,
pointing out your moronic position could only be an insult in the way it's an
insult to say a snake has no arms or legs IF that is indeed an insult.

b***@m.nu

2014-10-23 16:43:52 UTC

actually there are several. but one thing is for sure everthing that
is inside of you and everything else in this universe was all created
from inside stars...

bad thing is you believe it all to be true. And you little quips about
"god assoicated with earth" are really lame. You need to change you
lame story

m***@.not.

2014-10-27 22:41:26 UTC

On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 11:43:52 -0500, ***@m.nu wrote:
.

actually there are several. but one thing is for sure everthing that
is inside of you and everything else in this universe was all created
from inside stars...

bad thing is you believe it all to be true.

I consider the possibility that there is no God associated with Earth, but
don't put faith in that being the correct possibility. You do. I also consider
the possibility that there is a God associated with Earth. You can't.

Post by b***@m.nu
And you little quips about
"god assoicated with earth" are really lame.

It's a possibility I and most people can comprehend, but you can't. The fact
that you can't is what places you in your position of being a moron regarding
this particular subject. You like to consider yourself an authority on it, but
being unable to comprehend the possibility in any realistic way at all prevents
you from even being average. In fact it makes you way below average as I pointed
out, possibly even below the moron level.

Post by b***@m.nu
You need to change you lame story

I've challenged you to provide reason why everyone should put their faith in
the one possibility you put your own faith in. You can't even attempt to provide
a respectable explanation. You can't even attempt to provide anything other than
stupid childlike bullshit to explain why you put your own faith in that one
possibility. LOL...so it seems you're not only a moron in regards to the
possibility that there's a God associated with Earth, you're even a moron in
regards to why you have faith that there is not...LOL... AGAIN just describing
the position you're in is hilarious!!!

b***@m.nu

2014-10-28 15:35:15 UTC

actually there are several. but one thing is for sure everthing that
is inside of you and everything else in this universe was all created
from inside stars...

bad thing is you believe it all to be true.

there you go again. It is as if there is a council that individual
gods meet and discuss which planets get what gods. you associations
are really freakin gay dude. it is time for you to get the mental help
that you so much need

Post by b***@m.nu
And you little quips about
"god assoicated with earth" are really lame.

lame dude really lame you are just repeating the nonsense you have
since I first saw you post.

Post by b***@m.nu
You need to change you lame story

sorry dude I dont have any kind of faith in the manner of which you
are endlessly going on and on and on about

m***@.not.

2014-11-04 00:35:44 UTC

On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 10:35:15 -0500, ***@m.nu wrote:
.

actually there are several. but one thing is for sure everthing that
is inside of you and everything else in this universe was all created
from inside stars...

bad thing is you believe it all to be true.

there you go again.

It's been the same way for centuries. What did you think might have changed
in the past couple of weeks? Did you think I might have finally found the faith
you have? I've challenged you countless times to explain why everyone should try
to develop it but you can't make any attempt to explain at all, much less put
forward something that's in any way persuasive.

Post by b***@m.nu
It is as if there is a council that individual
gods meet and discuss which planets get what gods.

Not to me. That sounds retarded even for you, in fact.

Post by b***@m.nu
you associations

I didn't mention anything about "associations".

Post by b***@m.nu
are really freakin gay dude.

Not to me. To YOU because you are gay and so everything reminds you of gay
things and your gay obsession with Harry Potter.

Post by b***@m.nu
it is time for you to get the mental help
that you so much need

LOL...You say I should get mental help because you seem to be retarded and
gay...LOL... As usual just describing the position you're in is hilarious!

Post by b***@m.nu
And you little quips about
"god assoicated with earth" are really lame.

lame dude really lame you are just repeating the nonsense you have
since I first saw you post.

You are STILL in that same position and have been your entire life. You
can't even pretend that's not the position you're in because you so obviously
ARE in it. You also seem to be ashamed of it. So the question is: Why don't you
try to move beyond your below moron level? The answer almost certainly is that
you're not mentally capable. That brings up the question of WHY you're not
mentally capable. Is it because your brain just isn't capable because of its own
severe physical limitations? Or is it because you just don't want to? Or is it
because Satan does exist and is having the influence on you that people have
been told about for thousands of years? Whether God and Satan exist or not YOU
ARE evidence that what we've been told is actually happening, is happening now,
and it's happening to you.

Post by b***@m.nu
You need to change you lame story

sorry dude I dont have any kind of faith in the manner of which you
are endlessly going on and on and on about

You certainly have CLAIMED to have that faith, since anything a person
claims to know they're necessarily claiming to have faith that they're correct
about whatever it is they're claiming to believe. The question now is whether
you're honestly somehow so stupid you can't comprehend that most obvious fact,
or whether you're not really quite that remarkably stupid but instead are
dishonestly pretending to be even more stupid than you actually are for some
reason.

b***@m.nu

2014-11-04 01:05:05 UTC

Post by m***@.not.
.
I consider the possibility that there is no God associated with Earth, but
don't put faith in that being the correct possibility. You do. I also consider
the possibility that there is a God associated with Earth. You can't.

there you go again.

It's been the same way for centuries. What did you think might have changed
in the past couple of weeks? Did you think I might have finally found the faith

Faith? faith in what? fairy tales? because that is all you have.. I
have no faith

Post by m***@.not.
you have? I've challenged you countless times to explain why everyone should try
to develop it but you can't make any attempt to explain at all, much less put
forward something that's in any way persuasive.

what I and others have is not something that can be explained. it must
be a self discovery. I have many many along with the other atheists
given ample knowledge to the theists about why a god can not exist. We
have all shown the deciept and lies given by you and ALL the theists
that have ever existed.

If you dont have the mental capicaty to be abole to make this self
discovery then I am sorry and all I can say is I am sorry for you and
I would ask you why the fuck are you even here? you will never change
my mind. I know how evil religon is and I know the damage it can
cause. Religon looks good on paper but that is all

Post by b***@m.nu
It is as if there is a council that individual
gods meet and discuss which planets get what gods.

Not to me. That sounds retarded even for you, in fact.

Perhaps but that is what you are talking about

Post by b***@m.nu
you associations

I didn't mention anything about "associations".

Post by b***@m.nu
are really freakin gay dude.

Not to me. To YOU because you are gay and so everything reminds you of gay
things and your gay obsession with Harry Potter.

I am not the one that worships harry potter, that wouold be you

Post by b***@m.nu
it is time for you to get the mental help
that you so much need

LOL...You say I should get mental help because you seem to be retarded and
gay...LOL... As usual just describing the position you're in is hilarious!

Post by b***@m.nu
And you little quips about
"god assoicated with earth" are really lame.

lame dude really lame you are just repeating the nonsense you have
since I first saw you post.

Post by b***@m.nu
You need to change you lame story

sorry dude I dont have any kind of faith in the manner of which you
are endlessly going on and on and on about

no you are incorrect. your grasp of the english language seems to be
poor at best. faith requires belief in something. I have knowledge and
understand not wild ideas about a great and powerfull oz and his buddy
harry potter

m***@.not.

2014-11-06 18:46:12 UTC

On Mon, 03 Nov 2014 19:05:05 -0600, ***@m.nu wrote:
.

there you go again.

It's been the same way for centuries. What did you think might have changed
in the past couple of weeks? Did you think I might have finally found the faith

Faith? faith in what?

That God doesn't exist.

Post by b***@m.nu
fairy tales? because that is all you have.. I
have no faith

You have faith that God doesn't exist and that's ALL you could have, though
you may honestly be too stupid to be able to comprehend that obvious fact.

what I and others have is not something that can be explained.

LOL!!! Hilarious!!! You have made a guess, and then put all your faith in
that guess being the correct possibility. It's easy to explain you moron.

Post by b***@m.nu
it must
be a self discovery. I have many many along with the other atheists
given ample knowledge to the theists about why a god can not exist.

You never have because you can't. I have challenged you countless times to
explain how you could possibly have learned that God doesn't exist and you are
completely unable to attempt a respectable explanation.

Post by b***@m.nu
We
have all shown the deciept and lies given by you and ALL the theists
that have ever existed.
If you dont have the mental capicaty to be abole to make this self
discovery then I am sorry and all I can say is I am sorry for you

I consider the possibility that there is no God associated with Earth and am
aware that there may not be. But I leave you WAY behind by not putting faith in
that being the correct possibility, and going on to consider the possibility
that there is.

Post by b***@m.nu
and I would ask you why the fuck are you even here?

To begin with it was to find out if any of you could give good reason to put
faith in the possibility you put your own faith in, since I did try that years
ago but it seemed so incredibly stupid I gave up trying to develop it. Now that
I've challenged and tested you people in a number of ways to find out whether
you have anything of value or not, I have been shown BY YOU PEOPLE that you most
certainly do not. Not only are you not advanced beyond what most people are, but
you can't even get to the most basic of starting lines associated with thinking
about this topic. You are far below the average person in every aspect of this.
The evidence aspect shows your complete cluelessness and moronic position as
clearly as it could be shown. So now that I've been taught by you people that
you have nothing of value to contribute, I'm just here for the fun of pointing
out how clueless you all are and present challenges that get you to prove it. Of
course the challenge for you to provide something of value always remains open,
but by now I've been taught that it will never been fulfilled.

Post by b***@m.nu
you will never change
my mind. I know how evil religon is and I know the damage it can
cause. Religon looks good on paper but that is all

Post by b***@m.nu
It is as if there is a council that individual
gods meet and discuss which planets get what gods.

Not to me. That sounds retarded even for you, in fact.

Perhaps but that is what you are talking about

No. I'm talking about any God or gods being associated with Earth,
regardless of whether or not they are associated with a "council".

Post by b***@m.nu
you associations

I didn't mention anything about "associations".

Post by b***@m.nu
are really freakin gay dude.

Not to me. To YOU because you are gay and so everything reminds you of gay
things and your gay obsession with Harry Potter.

I am not the one that worships harry potter, that wouold be you

You obsess over the idea, the actor who plays the part, and his asshole
because you're gay and he's your hero.

Post by b***@m.nu
it is time for you to get the mental help
that you so much need

LOL...You say I should get mental help because you seem to be retarded and
gay...LOL... As usual just describing the position you're in is hilarious!

Post by b***@m.nu
And you little quips about
"god assoicated with earth" are really lame.

lame dude really lame you are just repeating the nonsense you have
since I first saw you post.

Post by b***@m.nu
You need to change you lame story

sorry dude I dont have any kind of faith in the manner of which you
are endlessly going on and on and on about

no you are incorrect. your grasp of the english language seems to be
poor at best. faith requires belief in something. I have knowledge

There's no way you could have learned that God doesn't exist. Even if
there's no God associated with Earth the "best" you could possibly have done is
to have made a lucky guess and put your faith in that being the correct
possibility. As I pointed out before you may honestly be too stupid to
comprehend those facts, but they will always be true even if you never can
comprehend how.

Post by b***@m.nu
and
understand not wild ideas about a great and powerfull oz and his buddy
harry potter

Flaunting your gay obsession for Daniel Radcliffe seems to you like a noble
display of your love for him, but I doubt he would be impressed by your prancing
behavior.

Wisely Non-Theist

2014-11-06 18:13:15 UTC

Post by m***@.not.
You never have because you can't. I have challenged you countless times to
explain how you could possibly have learned that God doesn't exist and you are
completely unable to attempt a respectable explanation.

That you are immune to that truth does not make it any less true!

m***@.not.

2014-11-11 23:58:30 UTC

On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:13:15 -0600, Wisely Non-Theist <***@bbb.ccc> wrote:
.

Post by Wisely Non-Theist

That you are immune to that truth does not make it any less true!

You are immune to it as well. Proof of that is the fact that you can't
explain how you, or your retarded brother, or ANYONE could possibly find out if
God does not exist. I challenge you to try. You lose.

b***@m.nu

2014-11-06 20:41:48 UTC

there you go again.

It's been the same way for centuries. What did you think might have changed
in the past couple of weeks? Did you think I might have finally found the faith

Faith? faith in what?

That God doesn't exist.

Post by b***@m.nu
fairy tales? because that is all you have.. I
have no faith

You have faith that God doesn't exist and that's ALL you could have, though
you may honestly be too stupid to be able to comprehend that obvious fact.

and you are seriously retarded for telling me what I think.... Faith
requires a believ... I have no belief. I know that there is no god
much like you have no brain

what I and others have is not something that can be explained.

LOL!!! Hilarious!!! You have made a guess, and then put all your faith in
that guess being the correct possibility. It's easy to explain you moron.

just because you do not have the mental capacity to be able to know
the things doesnt mean anything that is relevant to anyone but you.

Post by b***@m.nu
it must
be a self discovery. I have many many along with the other atheists
given ample knowledge to the theists about why a god can not exist.

as I said read the NG and all of your answers are there

There you go again with your associations. You are an idiot

Post by b***@m.nu
and I would ask you why the fuck are you even here?

To begin with it was to find out if any of you could give good reason to put
faith in the possibility you put your own faith in, since I did try that years

ya see that is your problem. You are adding words trying to change
other peoples thooughts and ideas. you must first learn to accept that
there are things you will never understand because you just cant

Post by m***@.not.
ago but it seemed so incredibly stupid I gave up trying to develop it. Now that
I've challenged and tested you people in a number of ways to find out whether
you have anything of value or not, I have been shown BY YOU PEOPLE that you most
certainly do not. Not only are you not advanced beyond what most people are, but
you can't even get to the most basic of starting lines associated with thinking
about this topic. You are far below the average person in every aspect of this.
The evidence aspect shows your complete cluelessness and moronic position as
clearly as it could be shown. So now that I've been taught by you people that
you have nothing of value to contribute, I'm just here for the fun of pointing
out how clueless you all are and present challenges that get you to prove it. Of
course the challenge for you to provide something of value always remains open,
but by now I've been taught that it will never been fulfilled.

Post by b***@m.nu
you will never change
my mind. I know how evil religon is and I know the damage it can
cause. Religon looks good on paper but that is all

Post by b***@m.nu
It is as if there is a council that individual
gods meet and discuss which planets get what gods.

Not to me. That sounds retarded even for you, in fact.

Perhaps but that is what you are talking about

No. I'm talking about any God or gods being associated with Earth,
regardless of whether or not they are associated with a "council".

Post by b***@m.nu
you associations

I didn't mention anything about "associations".

Post by b***@m.nu
are really freakin gay dude.

Not to me. To YOU because you are gay and so everything reminds you of gay
things and your gay obsession with Harry Potter.

I am not the one that worships harry potter, that wouold be you

You obsess over the idea, the actor who plays the part, and his asshole
because you're gay and he's your hero.

No I am talking about your harry potter jesus of course

Post by b***@m.nu
it is time for you to get the mental help
that you so much need

LOL...You say I should get mental help because you seem to be retarded and
gay...LOL... As usual just describing the position you're in is hilarious!

Post by b***@m.nu
And you little quips about
"god assoicated with earth" are really lame.

lame dude really lame you are just repeating the nonsense you have
since I first saw you post.

Post by b***@m.nu
You need to change you lame story

sorry dude I dont have any kind of faith in the manner of which you
are endlessly going on and on and on about

no you are incorrect. your grasp of the english language seems to be
poor at best. faith requires belief in something. I have knowledge

There's no way you could have learned that God doesn't exist. Even if

actually there is..

Post by m***@.not.
there's no God associated with Earth the "best" you could possibly have done is
to have made a lucky guess and put your faith in that being the correct

again idiot no faith needed here.

Post by m***@.not.
possibility. As I pointed out before you may honestly be too stupid to
comprehend those facts, but they will always be true even if you never can
comprehend how.

Post by b***@m.nu
and
understand not wild ideas about a great and powerfull oz and his buddy
harry potter

Flaunting your gay obsession for Daniel Radcliffe seems to you like a noble
display of your love for him, but I doubt he would be impressed by your prancing
behavior.

You are the one that even knows his name... LOL I think you are
trying to push your homosexual feelings on someone else either because
you are afraid or just plain stupid

m***@.not.

2014-11-11 23:58:35 UTC

On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 14:41:48 -0600, ***@m.nu wrote:
.

there you go again.

It's been the same way for centuries. What did you think might have changed
in the past couple of weeks? Did you think I might have finally found the faith

Faith? faith in what?

That God doesn't exist.

Post by b***@m.nu
fairy tales? because that is all you have.. I
have no faith

You have faith that God doesn't exist and that's ALL you could have, though
you may honestly be too stupid to be able to comprehend that obvious fact.

and you are seriously retarded for telling me what I think.... Faith
requires a believ... I have no belief. I know that there is no god

The fact that there's no way you could have found out if there is no God
lets me know you don't know that. If you seriously believe you found out somehow
then you truly are far FAR more stupid than the average person, which you always
do appear to be.

Post by b***@m.nu
much like you have no brain

what I and others have is not something that can be explained.

LOL!!! Hilarious!!! You have made a guess, and then put all your faith in
that guess being the correct possibility. It's easy to explain you moron.

just because you do not have the mental capacity to be able to know

Neither do you, and I know that. You may honestly be so stupid you're really
not aware of the fact, but it's very obvious.

Post by b***@m.nu
the things doesnt mean anything that is relevant to anyone but you.

Post by b***@m.nu
it must
be a self discovery. I have many many along with the other atheists
given ample knowledge to the theists about why a god can not exist.

as I said read the NG and all of your answers are there

There you go again with your associations. You are an idiot

You are an idiot who is associated with these ngs, though you're stupidly
somehow unaware of the fact apparently.

Post by b***@m.nu
and I would ask you why the fuck are you even here?

To begin with it was to find out if any of you could give good reason to put
faith in the possibility you put your own faith in, since I did try that years

I'm aware that there's no way you could have found out if God doesn't exist,
just as you could not have found out how many beings in the galaxy are capable
of space travel. You may honestly be so stupid that you're not aware that you
couldn't have found out, stupidly believing your faith that you made the correct
guess is information you have somehow learned, but the fact that you can't even
attempt to explain how you possibly could have learned it should tell even the
most stupid of people, like yourself, that you did not somehow learn it.

Post by b***@m.nu
you will never change
my mind. I know how evil religon is and I know the damage it can
cause. Religon looks good on paper but that is all

Post by b***@m.nu
It is as if there is a council that individual
gods meet and discuss which planets get what gods.

Not to me. That sounds retarded even for you, in fact.

Perhaps but that is what you are talking about

No. I'm talking about any God or gods being associated with Earth,
regardless of whether or not they are associated with a "council".

Post by b***@m.nu
you associations

I didn't mention anything about "associations".

Post by b***@m.nu
are really freakin gay dude.

Not to me. To YOU because you are gay and so everything reminds you of gay
things and your gay obsession with Harry Potter.

I am not the one that worships harry potter, that wouold be you

You obsess over the idea, the actor who plays the part, and his asshole
because you're gay and he's your hero.

No I am talking about your harry potter jesus of course

I doubt anyone believes that, even if some of your brothers might
dishonestly pretend to.

Post by b***@m.nu
it is time for you to get the mental help
that you so much need

LOL...You say I should get mental help because you seem to be retarded and
gay...LOL... As usual just describing the position you're in is hilarious!

Post by b***@m.nu
And you little quips about
"god assoicated with earth" are really lame.

lame dude really lame you are just repeating the nonsense you have
since I first saw you post.

Post by b***@m.nu
You need to change you lame story

sorry dude I dont have any kind of faith in the manner of which you
are endlessly going on and on and on about

no you are incorrect. your grasp of the english language seems to be
poor at best. faith requires belief in something. I have knowledge

There's no way you could have learned that God doesn't exist. Even if

actually there is..

Yet you have no idea how you possibly could have, and can't even pretend you
do.

Post by m***@.not.
there's no God associated with Earth the "best" you could possibly have done is
to have made a lucky guess and put your faith in that being the correct

again idiot no faith needed here.

Here's a clue that even the most stupid of people, like yourself, should be
able to easily comprehend. People have faith in everything they believe to be
correct, actually being correct.

Post by m***@.not.
possibility. As I pointed out before you may honestly be too stupid to
comprehend those facts, but they will always be true even if you never can
comprehend how.

b***@m.nu

2014-11-12 02:02:01 UTC

Post by m***@.not.
there's no God associated with Earth the "best" you could possibly have done is
to have made a lucky guess and put your faith in that being the correct

again idiot no faith needed here.

Here's a clue that even the most stupid of people, like yourself, should be
able to easily comprehend. People have faith in everything they believe to be
correct, actually being correct.

well things that are correct do not require faith

m***@.not.

2014-11-14 21:42:47 UTC

On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 20:02:01 -0600, ***@m.nu wrote:
.

there you go again.

It's been the same way for centuries. What did you think might have changed
in the past couple of weeks? Did you think I might have finally found the faith

Faith? faith in what?

That God doesn't exist.

Post by b***@m.nu
fairy tales? because that is all you have.. I
have no faith

You have faith that God doesn't exist and that's ALL you could have, though
you may honestly be too stupid to be able to comprehend that obvious fact.

and you are seriously retarded for telling me what I think.... Faith
requires a believ... I have no belief. I know that there is no god

Post by b***@m.nu
much like you have no brain

what I and others have is not something that can be explained.

LOL!!! Hilarious!!! You have made a guess, and then put all your faith in
that guess being the correct possibility. It's easy to explain you moron.

just because you do not have the mental capacity to be able to know

Neither do you, and I know that. You may honestly be so stupid you're really
not aware of the fact, but it's very obvious.

Post by b***@m.nu
the things doesnt mean anything that is relevant to anyone but you.

Post by b***@m.nu
it must
be a self discovery. I have many many along with the other atheists
given ample knowledge to the theists about why a god can not exist.

as I said read the NG and all of your answers are there

There you go again with your associations. You are an idiot

You are an idiot who is associated with these ngs, though you're stupidly
somehow unaware of the fact apparently.

Post by b***@m.nu
and I would ask you why the fuck are you even here?

To begin with it was to find out if any of you could give good reason to put
faith in the possibility you put your own faith in, since I did try that years

Post by b***@m.nu
you will never change
my mind. I know how evil religon is and I know the damage it can
cause. Religon looks good on paper but that is all

Post by b***@m.nu
It is as if there is a council that individual
gods meet and discuss which planets get what gods.

Not to me. That sounds retarded even for you, in fact.

Perhaps but that is what you are talking about

No. I'm talking about any God or gods being associated with Earth,
regardless of whether or not they are associated with a "council".

Post by b***@m.nu
you associations

I didn't mention anything about "associations".

Post by b***@m.nu
are really freakin gay dude.

Not to me. To YOU because you are gay and so everything reminds you of gay
things and your gay obsession with Harry Potter.

I am not the one that worships harry potter, that wouold be you

You obsess over the idea, the actor who plays the part, and his asshole
because you're gay and he's your hero.

No I am talking about your harry potter jesus of course

I doubt anyone believes that, even if some of your brothers might
dishonestly pretend to.

Post by b***@m.nu
it is time for you to get the mental help
that you so much need

LOL...You say I should get mental help because you seem to be retarded and
gay...LOL... As usual just describing the position you're in is hilarious!

Post by b***@m.nu
And you little quips about
"god assoicated with earth" are really lame.

lame dude really lame you are just repeating the nonsense you have
since I first saw you post.

Post by b***@m.nu
You need to change you lame story

sorry dude I dont have any kind of faith in the manner of which you
are endlessly going on and on and on about

no you are incorrect. your grasp of the english language seems to be
poor at best. faith requires belief in something. I have knowledge

There's no way you could have learned that God doesn't exist. Even if

actually there is..

Yet you have no idea how you possibly could have, and can't even pretend you
do.

Post by m***@.not.
there's no God associated with Earth the "best" you could possibly have done is
to have made a lucky guess and put your faith in that being the correct

again idiot no faith needed here.

Here's a clue that even the most stupid of people, like yourself, should be
able to easily comprehend. People have faith in everything they believe to be
correct, actually being correct.

well things that are correct do not require faith

Everything any being believes requires faith that the belief is correct. How
much faith you have in something being correct is what DETERMINES how strongly
you're convinced that you're correct about it...it DETERMINES how strongly you
think you "know" something. DUH!!!

b***@m.nu

2014-11-14 23:54:40 UTC

Post by b***@m.nu
again idiot no faith needed here.

Here's a clue that even the most stupid of people, like yourself, should be
able to easily comprehend. People have faith in everything they believe to be
correct, actually being correct.

well things that are correct do not require faith

Seriously you can not seem to understand basic english, so I would
like to ask you this again. Were you born this stupid.

MarkA

2014-10-20 14:28:01 UTC

"There are only two possibilities as to how life arose. One is
spontaneous generation arising to evolution; the other is a supernatural
creative act of God. There is no third possibility. A supernatural
creative act of God. I will not accept that philosophically because I do
not want to believe in God, therefore I choose to believe that which I
know is scientifically impossible; spontaneous generation arising to
evolution."
~ Dr. George Wald- Nobel Laureate
Scientific American August, 1954
How foolish for one believe a falsehood simply because they are
uncomfortable with the truth.
Yet that is exactly what many fools are doing this very day.

There are only two possibilities as to how life on Earth arose: natural
and supernatural. Since, by definition, the supernatural is not
available for us to study, it is of no practical value. There is plenty
we do not yet know about the natural, and the best use of our resources
would be to study the natural as intensively as possible. It may very
well turn out that life did come about through supernatural means, but
the only way we will ever be able to tell that is by having a nearly
complete understanding of the limitations of the natural. We are a long,
long way from that point. Anyone who claims the supernatural at this
point in the evolution of our understanding is just being ignorant.

The people who champion the supernatural at this point are really just
advocating for God-belief in general, and aren't really interested in the
specific question of how life began.

--
MarkA

"Human decency is not derived from religion. It precedes it."
-- Christopher Hitchens

m***@.not.

2014-10-20 21:49:22 UTC

On 20 Oct 2014 14:28:01 GMT, MarkA <***@somewhere.invalid> wrote:
.

"There are only two possibilities as to how life arose. One is
spontaneous generation arising to evolution; the other is a supernatural
creative act of God. There is no third possibility. A supernatural
creative act of God. I will not accept that philosophically because I do
not want to believe in God, therefore I choose to believe that which I
know is scientifically impossible; spontaneous generation arising to
evolution."
~ Dr. George Wald- Nobel Laureate
Scientific American August, 1954
How foolish for one believe a falsehood simply because they are
uncomfortable with the truth.
Yet that is exactly what many fools are doing this very day.

There could be a God associated with Earth who began life here. If so, it's
a natural thing. That's one of the easy to comprehend possibilities, yet
atheists are somehow mentally restricted from being able to comprehend it.

b***@m.nu

2014-10-20 22:26:19 UTC

"There are only two possibilities as to how life arose. One is
spontaneous generation arising to evolution; the other is a supernatural
creative act of God. There is no third possibility. A supernatural
creative act of God. I will not accept that philosophically because I do
not want to believe in God, therefore I choose to believe that which I
know is scientifically impossible; spontaneous generation arising to
evolution."
~ Dr. George Wald- Nobel Laureate
Scientific American August, 1954
How foolish for one believe a falsehood simply because they are
uncomfortable with the truth.
Yet that is exactly what many fools are doing this very day.

There could be a santa claus that will one day bring you a brain but
if I were you I would not count on it

Andrew

2014-10-21 02:36:00 UTC

"There are only two possibilities as to how life arose. One is
spontaneous generation arising to evolution; the other is a supernatural
creative act of God. There is no third possibility. A supernatural
creative act of God. I will not accept that philosophically because I do
not want to believe in God, therefore I choose to believe that which I
know is scientifically impossible; spontaneous generation arising to
evolution."
~ Dr. George Wald- Nobel Laureate
Scientific American August, 1954
How foolish for one believe a falsehood simply
because they are uncomfortable with the truth.
Yet that is exactly what many fools are doing
this very day.

There could be a God associated with Earth who began life here.

I found out that those who say otherwise have *no evidence*.

Post by m***@.not.
If so, it's a natural thing.

Good point.

Post by m***@.not.
That's one of the easy to comprehend possibilities, yet
atheists are somehow mentally restricted from being
able to comprehend it.

They are "mentally restricted" *until* they break free
from their self imposed shackles of mental bondage.

m***@.not.

2014-10-23 16:08:52 UTC

On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 19:36:00 -0700, "Andrew" <***@usa.net> wrote:
.

"There are only two possibilities as to how life arose. One is
spontaneous generation arising to evolution; the other is a supernatural
creative act of God. There is no third possibility. A supernatural
creative act of God. I will not accept that philosophically because I do
not want to believe in God, therefore I choose to believe that which I
know is scientifically impossible; spontaneous generation arising to
evolution."
~ Dr. George Wald- Nobel Laureate
Scientific American August, 1954
How foolish for one believe a falsehood simply
because they are uncomfortable with the truth.
Yet that is exactly what many fools are doing
this very day.

There could be a God associated with Earth who began life here.

I found out that those who say otherwise have *no evidence*.

No, they can't even pretend that they do. More evidence of how clueless they
are is the FACT that when they demand evidence of God's existence not a single
one of them can even imagine what sort of evidence they think there should be,
where they think it should be, or why they think it should be made available to
humans if God does exist. When I first began challenging them to try explaining
what they think they're imagining I was interested in what they were "thinking".
Having challenged them many times they have shown that they don't have any clue
at all what evidence they think there should be, where or why. So they demand
something that they have no idea why it should even exist or what they think it
should be. They then try to turn their own pathetic cluelessness around and try
to pin their own guilt of ineptitude on me for challenging them to try to
explain themselves. LOL! Just describing the position these people are in is
hilarious!

Post by m***@.not.
If so, it's a natural thing.

Good point.

And easy for you to not only comprehend but appreciate. In contrast,
atheists can't comprehend it much less appreciate it.

Post by m***@.not.
That's one of the easy to comprehend possibilities, yet
atheists are somehow mentally restricted from being
able to comprehend it.

They are "mentally restricted" *until* they break free
from their self imposed shackles of mental bondage.

I've never known even one of them to do that. In regards to this topic they
are like severe retards, so for them to break free it would be like a retard
somehow breaking free from retardation. Again describing the position they're in
is amusing, but it doesn't seem likely they could mentally break free from their
own retarded limitations. I consistently encourage them to try though. They
consider themselves to be authorities on this topic yet they can't get to the
basic starting lines. I encourage them to try and challenge them to try to
explain their absurd seeming claims and points of view. Instead of learning from
their mental inability to meet the challenges and trying to move on to a point
where they can at least try to address them, they usually cowardly just slink
away or even more cowardly killfile me because the challenge to try to explain
their own apparent idiocy defeats them entirely.

Jørgen Farum Jensen

2014-10-21 21:56:47 UTC

Post by m***@.not.
There could be a God associated with Earth who began life here. If so, it's
a natural thing. That's one of the easy to comprehend possibilities, yet
atheists are somehow mentally restricted from being able to comprehend it.

I am an atheist and I totally comprehend the idea
of god creating life. I comprehend it to the
degree that I am able to calling it a wrong idea
with no basis whatsoever i reality.

Why is it that atheists must be mentally retarded just
because they don't believe the same as you do?

--
Jorgen Farum Jensen

Andrew

2014-10-22 00:57:34 UTC

I am an atheist and I totally comprehend the idea
of god creating life. I comprehend it to the
degree that I am able to calling it a wrong idea

Do you deny its possibility?

If so, do you have convincing evidence that would
cause you to deny even the possibility thereof?

If not, then it *IS a possibility*.

Post by JÃ¸rgen Farum Jensen
with no basis whatsoever i reality.
Why is it that atheists must be mentally retarded just
because they don't believe the same as you do?

Because when you deny truth, it effects the brain
by causing confusion in the thinking processes.

Bob Casanova

2014-10-22 17:25:45 UTC

On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 17:57:34 -0700, the following appeared
in sci.skeptic, posted by "Andrew"

I am an atheist and I totally comprehend the idea
of god creating life. I comprehend it to the
degree that I am able to calling it a wrong idea

Do you deny its possibility?
If so, do you have convincing evidence that would
cause you to deny even the possibility thereof?
If not, then it *IS a possibility*.

Post by JÃ¸rgen Farum Jensen
with no basis whatsoever i reality.
Why is it that atheists must be mentally retarded just
because they don't believe the same as you do?

Because when you deny truth, it effects the brain
by causing confusion in the thinking processes.

Not nearly as much as conflating "belief" with "truth".

And BTW, that's "*affects* the brain".

--
Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

Jørgen Farum Jensen

2014-10-23 15:34:46 UTC

I am an atheist and I totally comprehend the idea
of god creating life. I comprehend it to the
degree that I am able to calling it a wrong idea

Do you deny its possibility?

Yes.

Post by Andrew
If so, do you have convincing evidence that would
cause you to deny even the possibility thereof?

As you have been told many times, it's
up to the person who postulates something,
that cannot be objectively observed nor
described, to present the evidence.

And no evidence whatsoever of the existence
of god or gods have *ever* been falsifiably
presented.

Post by Andrew
If not, then it *IS a possibility*.

Post by JÃ¸rgen Farum Jensen
with no basis whatsoever i reality.
Why is it that atheists must be mentally retarded just
because they don't believe the same as you do?

Because when you deny truth, it effects the brain
by causing confusion in the thinking processes.

Again, it's up to you to present evidence
for mental degradation of non-believers.
Such evidence should be rather easy to
procure in a scientific study of non-believers
vs theists. Try the Templeton Foundation.

Regarding the existence of god or gods there is
no *truth*, only hearsay, dubious scripture and
revelation at par with an LSD vision.

--
Jørgen Farum Jensen

m***@.not.

2014-10-27 22:52:39 UTC

On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 17:34:46 +0200, Jørgen Farum Jensen <***@733.dk> wrote:
.

I am an atheist and I totally comprehend the idea
of god creating life. I comprehend it to the
degree that I am able to calling it a wrong idea

Then you're not capable of comprehending it at all. You can comprehend that
god did NOT create life, but can't comprehend any of the countless ways in which
a God or gods could have been associated with it. Obviously you just like to
think of yourself as being mentally capable of far more than you ever have been
capable of, and probably ever will be capable of.

Post by Andrew
Do you deny its possibility?

Yes.

Confirming what I pointed out, and you've also made it clear that you're
ashamed of the fact that you're in that horribly mentally OVERchallenged
position. You're ashamed of your position and want to deny it, but it's almost
certain that you'll never be able to raise yourself out of it.

Post by Andrew
If so, do you have convincing evidence that would
cause you to deny even the possibility thereof?

As you have been told many times, it's
up to the person who postulates something,
that cannot be objectively observed nor
described, to present the evidence.

The answer to his question is no. Why do you think you need to make an
excuse for that being the answer, can you say or are you too ashamed to?

Post by JÃ¸rgen Farum Jensen
And no evidence whatsoever of the existence
of god or gods have *ever* been falsifiably
presented.

Post by Andrew
If not, then it *IS a possibility*.

Post by JÃ¸rgen Farum Jensen
with no basis whatsoever i reality.
Why is it that atheists must be mentally retarded just
because they don't believe the same as you do?

Because when you deny truth, it effects the brain
by causing confusion in the thinking processes.

Again, it's up to you to present evidence
for mental degradation of non-believers.
Such evidence should be rather easy to
procure in a scientific study of non-believers
vs theists.

I challenge you to try to explain WHAT sort of evidence you think there
"should be", WHERE you think it "should be", and WHY you think it "should be" to
God's benefit for him to provide us with it if he exists. You lose. The
challenge defeats you to the extent that you can't even attempt to provide a
respectable explanation because you have no idea at all what you think you're
trying to talk about when you demand evidence of God's existence.

Lormaria Prakanakatakapan

2014-10-24 11:13:14 UTC

I am an atheist and I totally comprehend the idea
of god creating life. I comprehend it to the
degree that I am able to calling it a wrong idea

Do you deny its possibility?

It's as possible as the Harry Potter characters living on a planet in
another galaxy.

or if you prefer,

It's as possible as you getting a meritorious award for honesty.

m***@.not.

2014-10-27 22:44:46 UTC

On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 12:13:14 +0100, Lormaria Prakanakatakapan
<***@thebackalley.null> wrote:
.

I am an atheist and I totally comprehend the idea
of god creating life. I comprehend it to the
degree that I am able to calling it a wrong idea

Do you deny its possibility?

It's as possible as the Harry Potter characters living on a planet in
another galaxy.

Why would it have to be another galaxy? Have you investigated this one
enough to know that it could not happen anywhere in this one?

How have you investigated this planet and this star system well enough to
know there is no God associated with anything around Sol, or at least that it's
as unlikely as the Harry Potter bullshit?

Post by Lormaria Prakanakatakapan
or if you prefer,
It's as possible as you getting a meritorious award for honesty.

Since you apparently feel that you're somehow some sort of an authority on
this subject I'll present you with a challenge that so far has defeated every
atheist in these ngs and in other groups in addition to these. It has defeated
every one of them so entirely that not one of them has ever been able to give
any sort of respectable explanation at all. Even though by the way you people
behave it should be easy to explain for all of you, not a single one of you so
far has had any clue at all. It has to do with the evidence that atheists are
constantly demanding. Such people make it obvious they believe that if God does
exist, there should be some sort of hard evidence that proves the fact. Even
though the very idea seems idiotic from my pov, their demands for it PROVE they
believe it should not only exist but somehow be available to humans if there is
a God associated with this planet. So the challenge SHOULD BE easy for them, yet
it has defeated every one of them so far. Maybe you can be the first to meet it
since it should be easy for you? Let's find out. Here it is:

Try to explain WHAT sort of evidence you think there "should be", WHERE you
think it "should be", and WHY you think it "should be" to God's benefit for him
to provide us with it if he exists.

Catpain Merca

2014-10-29 18:14:19 UTC

Post by m***@.not.
On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 12:13:14 +0100, Lormaria Prakanakatakapan

Post by m***@.not.
There could be a God associated with Earth who began life
here. If so, it's a natural thing. That's one of the easy to
comprehend possibilities, yet atheists are somehow mentally
restricted from being able to comprehend it.

I am an atheist and I totally comprehend the idea of god
creating life. I comprehend it to the degree that I am able to
calling it a wrong idea

Do you deny its possibility?

It's as possible as the Harry Potter characters living on a planet
in another galaxy.

Why would it have to be another galaxy? Have you investigated this
one enough to know that it could not happen anywhere in this one?

Why couldn't it be another galaxy, you bilge-gargling pustule?

Post by m***@.not.
How have you investigated this planet and this star system well
enough to know there is no God associated with anything around Sol,
or at least that it's as unlikely as the Harry Potter bullshit?

I was responding to possibility, not probability, you snot-faced groper
of other children's pets.

Post by Lormaria Prakanakatakapan
or if you prefer,
It's as possible as you getting a meritorious award for honesty.

Yawn.

Post by m***@.not.
It has defeated every one of them so entirely that not one of them
has ever been able to give any sort of respectable explanation at
all.

Further Yawn.
Even though by the way you people behave it should be easy to

Post by m***@.not.
explain for all of you, not a single one of you so far has had any
clue at all.

Multiple yawn and checking for fluff in my navel.

Post by m***@.not.
It has to do with the evidence that atheists are
constantly demanding. Such people make it obvious they believe that
if God does exist, there should be some sort of hard evidence that
proves the fact.

Fucking hell, you're a long-winded dimwit.

Post by m***@.not.
Even though the very idea seems idiotic from my pov,
their demands for it PROVE they believe it should not only exist but
somehow be available to humans if there is a God associated with this
planet.

Yawn -snore- huh? Oh fuck you're still yattering like an duck being
given electric shocks.

Post by m***@.not.
So the challenge SHOULD BE easy for them, yet it has defeated
every one of them so far. Maybe you can be the first to meet it since
it should be easy for you?

Are you getting to the point yet?
Fucking hell, you finally got to your point. Give yourself a pat on the
back. Oh wait, it's this tired old hack you've come up with;

Post by m***@.not.
Try to explain WHAT sort of evidence you think there "should be",
WHERE you think it "should be", and WHY you think it "should be" to
God's benefit for him to provide us with it if he exists.

Forget the pat on the back. Go look up logic 101, straighten your
toupee and jump in front of an 18 wheeler. Make sure it's got a good
bit of speed so you bounce nice.

In the meantime, as you've already been told, it's your fantasy, so you
get to purport its properties. Suggest a few scientifically testable
properties and fire away. You can even make up some shit about why you
think such properties are to your gawd's benefit if you like. After
you've carefully written your thesis on a soft velvety perforated roll
of paper, leave it somewhere handy for the homeless to wipe their asses
on it.

If on the other hand, you can't think of a single scientifically valid
way to demonstrate that your fantasies have a basis in reality outside
the soupy disturbance between your ears, feel free to punch yourself in
the face.

Better still, go to your local boxing gym, find the heaviest bruiser
therein and get him to do it for you.

m***@.not.

2014-11-04 00:35:39 UTC

On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 18:14:19 +0000, Catpain Merca <***@gmail.com>
wrote:
.

Post by m***@.not.
On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 12:13:14 +0100, Lormaria Prakanakatakapan

Post by m***@.not.
There could be a God associated with Earth who began life
here. If so, it's a natural thing. That's one of the easy to
comprehend possibilities, yet atheists are somehow mentally
restricted from being able to comprehend it.

I am an atheist and I totally comprehend the idea of god
creating life. I comprehend it to the degree that I am able to
calling it a wrong idea

Do you deny its possibility?

It's as possible as the Harry Potter characters living on a planet
in another galaxy.

Why would it have to be another galaxy? Have you investigated this
one enough to know that it could not happen anywhere in this one?

Why couldn't it be another galaxy

It could be in any or all galaxies. Neither of you explained what I
challenged him to explain however.

Post by Catpain Merca
, you bilge-gargling pustule?

I was responding to possibility, not probability, you snot-faced groper
of other children's pets.

Post by Lormaria Prakanakatakapan
or if you prefer,
It's as possible as you getting a meritorious award for honesty.

Yawn.

What I pointed out is correct.

Post by m***@.not.
It has defeated every one of them so entirely that not one of them
has ever been able to give any sort of respectable explanation at
all.

Further Yawn.

Yawning doesn't change the fact that what I pointed out was again correct.

Post by Catpain Merca
Even though by the way you people behave it should be easy to

Post by m***@.not.
explain for all of you, not a single one of you so far has had any
clue at all.

Multiple yawn and checking for fluff in my navel.

Much as you wish they could, your personal rituals can't change the fact
that what I pointed out is correct.

Fucking hell, you're a long-winded dimwit.

Your bitchings can't change the fact that the things I pointed out are
correct either.

Yawn -snore- huh? Oh fuck you're still yattering like an duck being
given electric shocks.

The things I'm pointing out are producing cognitive dissonance in your
overly challenged little brain, first exhausting you and then causing you to
feel a desperate craving to try opposing the facts, but there's nothing you can
do to actually oppose the facts I'm pointing out.

Post by m***@.not.
So the challenge SHOULD BE easy for them, yet it has defeated
every one of them so far. Maybe you can be the first to meet it since
it should be easy for you?

Are you getting to the point yet?
Fucking hell, you finally got to your point. Give yourself a pat on the
back. Oh wait, it's this tired old hack you've come up with;

Forget the pat on the back. Go look up logic 101,

Would it say to put all our faith in one possibility being correct and be
completely closed minded to any other possibilities? If so, what explanation(s)
does it give for trying to develop faith in that one possibility being the
correct one?

Post by Catpain Merca
straighten your
toupee and jump in front of an 18 wheeler. Make sure it's got a good
bit of speed so you bounce nice.
In the meantime, as you've already been told, it's your fantasy, so you
get to purport its properties. Suggest a few scientifically testable
properties and fire away.

I don't believe there's any reason why any should exist even if there is a
God associated with this planet and he had a huge influence on how things
developed here. In contrast to that you DO believe there should be some even
though you haven't got the slightest clue what you think they should be, or
where you think they should be.

Post by Catpain Merca
You can even make up some shit about why you
think such properties are to your gawd's benefit if you like.

I can't think of any reason why they would be. You can't think of any reason
why they would be. No one else can think of any reason why they would be. The
difference between us is that YOU believe they should exist anyway if there's a
God associated with Earth, but I don't.

Post by Catpain Merca
After
you've carefully written your thesis on a soft velvety perforated roll
of paper, leave it somewhere handy for the homeless to wipe their asses
on it.
If on the other hand, you can't think of a single scientifically valid
way to demonstrate that your fantasies have a basis in reality

NO ONE can think of any reason why there should be any, INCLUDING YOU. The
difference between us here is that I can recognise the significance of your
absolute cluelessness, but you can't even recognise that.

b***@m.nu

2014-11-04 01:09:29 UTC

Post by m***@.not.
On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 12:13:14 +0100, Lormaria Prakanakatakapan

Post by m***@.not.
There could be a God associated with Earth who began life
here. If so, it's a natural thing. That's one of the easy to
comprehend possibilities, yet atheists are somehow mentally
restricted from being able to comprehend it.

I am an atheist and I totally comprehend the idea of god
creating life. I comprehend it to the degree that I am able to
calling it a wrong idea

Do you deny its possibility?

It's as possible as the Harry Potter characters living on a planet
in another galaxy.

Why would it have to be another galaxy? Have you investigated this
one enough to know that it could not happen anywhere in this one?

Why couldn't it be another galaxy

It could be in any or all galaxies. Neither of you explained what I
challenged him to explain however.

Post by Catpain Merca
, you bilge-gargling pustule?

I was responding to possibility, not probability, you snot-faced groper
of other children's pets.

Post by Lormaria Prakanakatakapan
or if you prefer,
It's as possible as you getting a meritorious award for honesty.

Yawn.

What I pointed out is correct.

I did not read what you said you had pointed out but from what I know
of you there is nothing that you could possibly point out

Post by m***@.not.
It has defeated every one of them so entirely that not one of them
has ever been able to give any sort of respectable explanation at
all.

Further Yawn.

Yawning doesn't change the fact that what I pointed out was again correct.

You arent ever correct

Post by Catpain Merca
Even though by the way you people behave it should be easy to

Post by m***@.not.
explain for all of you, not a single one of you so far has had any
clue at all.

Multiple yawn and checking for fluff in my navel.

careful I think he has a collection....
eeveryone needs a hobby

<snipping fluff>

m***@.not.

2014-10-23 16:09:09 UTC

On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 23:56:47 +0200, Jørgen Farum Jensen <***@733.dk> wrote:
.

I am an atheist and I totally comprehend the idea
of god creating life.

I pointed out that you can't think of it as a natural thing.

Post by JÃ¸rgen Farum Jensen
I comprehend it to the
degree that I am able to calling it a wrong idea
with no basis whatsoever i reality.

Then you're not even able to comprehend what you claimed you could. You can
only comprehend the possibility that there is NOT a God associated with Earth,
but not that there IS.

Post by JÃ¸rgen Farum Jensen
Why is it that atheists must be mentally retarded just
because they don't believe the same as you do?

I don't have a true belief about it. I'm a weak agnostic. But though I can
consider the possibility that there is no God associate with Earth as you are
restricted to, I can go on to also consider the possibility that there IS. The
former possibility is simple and easy and requires no real thinking. The latter
possibility is complex and opens the doors for countless more possibilities and
therefore necessarily involves a LOT more thought and consideration. Those are
all basic starting lines that atheists can't get as "far" as. There are more.
THAT is why atheists seem retarded from the position of people who can consider
MUCH MORE than they are mentally capable of considering. Atheists like to
pretend they can consider as much or more than those who consider more than they
do, but why do they want to act like they can if not because they themselves
feel it's a superior position? There doesn't appear to be any other reason why
they would want to pretend something like that. But then again if they really
feel that way, then why can't they open their mind and actually DO what they
want to pretend they're able to do? THAT is where it falls apart and doesn't
make any sense at all. And that is one of the ways atheists themselves are
evidence of God's existence, by being evidence of Satan's influence on
restricting the ability to think in some humans.

WangoTango

2014-10-20 15:30:21 UTC

Post by Andrew
"There are only two possibilities as to how life arose. One
is spontaneous generation arising to evolution; the other is a
supernatural creative act of God. There is no third possibility.
A supernatural creative act of God. I will not accept that
philosophically because I do not want to believe in God,
therefore I choose to believe that which I know is scientifically
impossible; spontaneous generation arising to evolution."
~ Dr. George Wald- Nobel Laureate
Scientific American August, 1954
How foolish for one believe a falsehood simply
because they are uncomfortable with the truth.
Yet that is exactly what many fools are doing
this very day.

1954....LOL
We have come so very, very, far in our understanding in over half a
fucking century.

You are so much a joke around here.

Christopher A. Lee

2014-10-20 15:42:46 UTC

On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 11:30:21 -0400, WangoTango

1954....LOL
We have come so very, very, far in our understanding in over half a
fucking century.
You are so much a joke around here.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/quotes/mine/part1-4.html#quote57

WangoTango

2014-10-21 17:19:07 UTC

Post by Christopher A. Lee
On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 11:30:21 -0400, WangoTango

1954....LOL
We have come so very, very, far in our understanding in over half a
fucking century.
You are so much a joke around here.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/quotes/mine/part1-4.html#quote57

On top of it being ancient, when it comes to our biological/chemical
knowledge, it is totally bull shit to boot.
That's about right for those of his ilk. If you can't find evidence to
back up your claims, fabricate it.

Andrew

2014-10-21 02:46:24 UTC

1954....LOL
We have come so very, very, far in our understanding
in over half a fucking century.

Absolutely true. This shows just a little of how far we
actually have come.

----->

WangoTango

2014-10-21 17:26:11 UTC

1954....LOL
We have come so very, very, far in our understanding
in over half a fucking century.

Absolutely true. This shows just a little of how far we
actually have come.

No, how little you have come.
Grasping at straws, and we find out now that you have pulled a totally
out of context quote mine. So, why don't you read his entire quote and
get back with me. Otherwise, you are nothing but a liar.

Tom McDonald

2014-10-20 16:03:21 UTC

The use of the term 'spontaneous generation' betrays Wald's ignorance
about the actual discussion regarding the material origin of life
studies. Thomas Huxley coined the accurate term "abiogenesis' in 1870,
and someone actually conversant in the scientific study of origins of
life would have used that word instead of 'spontaneous generation'.

The quote (if you are being truthful in your presentation of it) is from
a year after the Miller-Urey experiments, and well before the far more
concerted work in abiogenesis done in the last decade or three.

Plus, of course, you don't prove anything simply by quoting someone as
an authority, even if they *were* an authority. Which you haven't shown
Dr. Wald was.

But please, continue flailing around on your fantasy hobby-horse. I for
one find your unintentional humor a real day-brightener.

Christopher A. Lee

2014-10-20 16:28:04 UTC

Post by Tom McDonald

Actually, it doesn't - it shows the dishonesty of the Liar For God who
fabricated a not-quite-paraphrase of an article where he said the
opposite.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/quotes/mine/part1-4.html#quote57

But that's Andrew doing what Andrew does.

Post by Tom McDonald
The quote (if you are being truthful in your presentation of it) is from
a year after the Miller-Urey experiments, and well before the far more
concerted work in abiogenesis done in the last decade or three.

Do you really expect him to be honest?

Post by Tom McDonald
Plus, of course, you don't prove anything simply by quoting someone as
an authority, even if they *were* an authority. Which you haven't shown
Dr. Wald was.

He was a biochemist who got his Nobel Prize for work in optical
pigments and how the eye recognised colour.

As with most of this Liar For God's mined quotes, this one is answered
at the quote mine project.

I won't cut'n'paste it because it is very long, and I've done it
elsewhere in this thread.

Post by Tom McDonald
But please, continue flailing around on your fantasy hobby-horse. I for
one find your unintentional humor a real day-brightener.

So far the only formerly genuine, comparatively recent scientists who
believed the nonsense the Liars For God use as bogus arguments from
authority seem to have Hoyle and Tippler who once sound work before
they turned into crackpots.

m***@.not.

2014-10-20 21:48:03 UTC