no quantum zero point matter/energy?

[Dale]

as discussed in thread with
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you can't have random events and determinism

I'm not saying I believe in determinism, I'm just saying my time on this
group has shown those who espouse the combination that can't be assuming
logic

the same applies to quantum zero-point matter/energy, there can't be
random matter/energy and determinism

the only evidence for zero-point matter/energy is the Casimir Effect,
which fails at having a zero because it doesn't have a perfect vacuum,
it has an apparatus trying to have vacuum and plates within it, true
zero-point has no apparatus or plates

again, I'm not saying it can't be, there would have to be distinction
drawn between randomness and determinism, and/or the acceptance that
illogic exists

if illogic is a material concept in a material brain, and although a
concept might not be an actualization, it IS something material, unless
there is no illogic and only broad abstractions, no illogic would mean
no randomness

[Olrik]

Post by Dale
as discussed in thread with
you can't have random events and determinism
I'm not saying I believe in determinism, I'm just saying my time on this
group has shown those who espouse the combination that can't be assuming
logic
the same applies to quantum zero-point matter/energy, there can't be
random matter/energy and determinism
the only evidence for zero-point matter/energy is the Casimir Effect,
which fails at having a zero because it doesn't have a perfect vacuum,
it has an apparatus trying to have vacuum and plates within it, true
zero-point has no apparatus or plates
again, I'm not saying it can't be, there would have to be distinction
drawn between randomness and determinism, and/or the acceptance that
illogic exists
if illogic is a material concept in a material brain, and although a
concept might not be an actualization, it IS something material, unless
there is no illogic and only broad abstractions, no illogic would mean
no randomness

HELP!

Is there *anything* in Dale's post that deals with bacon? I'm at lost.

[Bob Casanova]

On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 23:28:09 -0400, the following appeared

Post by Olrik

Post by Dale
as discussed in thread with
you can't have random events and determinism
I'm not saying I believe in determinism, I'm just saying my time on this
group has shown those who espouse the combination that can't be assuming
logic
the same applies to quantum zero-point matter/energy, there can't be
random matter/energy and determinism
the only evidence for zero-point matter/energy is the Casimir Effect,
which fails at having a zero because it doesn't have a perfect vacuum,
it has an apparatus trying to have vacuum and plates within it, true
zero-point has no apparatus or plates
again, I'm not saying it can't be, there would have to be distinction
drawn between randomness and determinism, and/or the acceptance that
illogic exists
if illogic is a material concept in a material brain, and although a
concept might not be an actualization, it IS something material, unless
there is no illogic and only broad abstractions, no illogic would mean
no randomness

HELP!
Is there *anything* in Dale's post that deals with bacon?

Nope; it's all word salad with no toppings.

Post by Olrik
I'm at lost.

So is he. In "a maze of twisty passages, all alike".