On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 19:55:45 -0500, Tom McDonald
Post by Tom McDonaldPost by Andrewthe well-known natural laws of the universe are
absolutely the way life began. That --->FACT
If that were a fact, then you should be able to cite.
Anne Drool has been given examples from abiogenesis research many
times, so why does he keep pretending he hasn't?
Post by Tom McDonaldPost by AndrewPleased do so now.
Note: It is a fact that any conclusion that is based
upon fantasy is NOT a ---> FACT.
So why does Anne Drool imagine his bronze-age myths and legends are
fact?
Post by Tom McDonaldPost by AndrewIf you do not cite, then it would support the fact
that you are deceived.
Pointing out what has been done in the lab so often it is now routine,
is hardly the deception the in-your-face liar lies about.
And of course, being observed and the result of objective scientific
research, it is nothing whatsoever to do with atheism.
Post by Tom McDonaldFirst, support your earlier contention, to which I was responding, that
a Creator was necessary to kick life off.
He can't, because there are perfectly natural explanations.
He needs to demonstrate this creator, that it kicked life off _and_
demonstrate why the abiogenesis research is wrong, when it repeatably
and repeatedly produces protocells using simple natural processes.
There is simply no reason to introduce a magical superbeing for which
there is no evidence, into it.
Like most fanatical theists, he can't grasp that before he invokes it,
he has to demonstrate it - and because he is making claims for it in
the scientific arena, he has to do it scientifically.
Post by Tom McDonaldWithout using fantasy, please.
If you don't do so, without using ---> phantasy
then, you are deceived, or are a deceiver yourself.
Worse than that, he is a stupid, outright liar because he repeats whet
he knows is false.
But lying in the service of his religion doesn't count as a lie -
even though that's all his involuntary audience sees.
And he's too stupid to understand that everybody doesn't share his
religious beliefs.
The lies are intended for ignorant, uneducated and unintelligent
believers, and he hasn't the sense to keep them where they belong so
he repeats them, not just outside his religion but to an educated and
more knowledgeable audience.
Here's what the proven serial liar has been given many times...
Of course, it is highly unlikely it happened exactly the same way
three or four billion years ago, but that is irrelevant. It shows
that a magical superbeing isn't necessary for it, and what they
claim is impossible without one, has been demonstrated without
one....
A presentation by the late Sidney Fox on the formation of proto
cells in the lab using simple, natural processes.
They metabolise, reproduce, self-organise and respond to
environmental stimuli.
http://www.theharbinger.org/articles/rel_sci/fox.html
An abstract for a paper authored by Fox and his team concerning
their subsequent research into these proto-cells, with my
capitalising for emphasis...
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00700418
Experimental retracement of the origins of a protocell
Sidney W. Fox, Peter R. Bahn, Klaus Dose, Kaoru Harada, Laura Hsu,
Yoshio Ishima, John Jungck, Jean Kendrick, Gottfried Krampitz,
James C. Lacey Jr., Koichiro Matsuno, Paul Melius, Mavis
Middlebrook, Tadayoshi Nakashima, Aristotel Pappelis,Alexander Pol,
Duane L. Rohlfing, Allen Vegotsky, Thomas V. Waehneldt, H. Wax, Bi
Yu
Abstract
Although Oparin used coacervate droplets from two or more types of
polymer to model the first cell, he hypothesized homacervation from
protein, consistent with Pasteur and Darwin. Herrera made two amino
acids and numerous cell-like structures (sulfobes) in the
laboratory, which probably arose from intermediate polymers. Our
experiments have conformed with a homoacervation of thermal
proteinoid, in which amino acid sequences are determined by the
reacting amino acids themselves. All proteinoids that have been
tested assemble themselves alone in water to protocells. The
protocells have characteristics of life defined by Webster's
Dictionary: metabolism, growth, reproduction and response to stimuli
in the environment. THE PROTOCELLS ARE ABLE ALSO TO EVOLVE TO MORE
MODERN CELLS INCLUDING THE INITIATION OF A NUCLEIC ACID CODING
SYSTEM.
The proven serial liar has been given this many times but never
addressed it.
Part of the problem would seem to be that these morons refuse to
accept that the earliest life was extremely simple and evolved from
there. They expect abiogenesis research to come up with fully formed
modern life because they imagine their religion's god did.