Post by Mr. B1ack Post by jonathan Post by Mr. B1ack
Ya know ... for over 50 years now we've been trying to
understand what Dolphins are talking about. We can
mathematically demonstrate that they ARE having
conversations, that there IS a sophisticated vocabulary
and grammar there, but we're basically clueless about
So ... let's be honest here ... if aliens talk WE WON'T
UNDERSTAND THEM. Might be decades to even realize
there was any "talking" going on in the first place.
Dolphins are comparatively near relatives ... fellow mammals.
Yet for all our skills and tech ... nada. Aliens would be, well,
ALIEN. Far less shared context and zero shared genetic history.
Even if they TRIED to talk to us, rather than us just eavedropping
on an ET phone call, the results might be nil. So I just don't see
it as being like in the movies.
Last year an absolutely wonderful movie came
out that was devoted to trying to communicate
with aliens that landed on Earth.
One of the best pure sci-fi movies of the year.
I won't spoil it by telling you what the
aliens were trying to tell us though.
12 alien spacecraft land in 12 different
regions around the world, each has 1/12 of
the message. And each of the 12 nations
have to try to decipher their portion with
the hope they can put it together.
The movie makes a great case for just how difficult
it could be to understand a totally alien intelligent
race. In the end they manage to decipher just
two words of the message, but how to interpret
the two words makes all the difference.
Well I saw the film ... but I don't think they could
have figured out what the aliens were saying in
the time allotted. Oh, and then there's the
*meaning* of what they're saying ... what it
means to *them*. Add another layer of
Yep like the trailer said the difference in
meaning between the words tool and weapon
can be all the difference. The aliens were
trying to give us a tool to save humanity
and we interpreted it as a weapon that could
destroy us instead.
Post by Mr. B1ack
Dolphins use ultrasonics to "see" as much as
we use our eyes. Dolphins even have some
special organs that help to focus and detect
and pre-filter ultrasonic frequencies. Just as
human discourse relies heavily on "seeing" -
shapes, colors, textures, overall impressions -
dolphin speech may largely substitute the
"soundiness" of things - and they can get as
much or more info from sound as we do from
sight, including things we don't such as exact
By enhancing just ONE sense, dolphins move
into a significantly different sort of reality - one
to which we cannot easily relate. "Aliens" ...
it's a fair bet they're even MORE different in
terms of their senses and thus their ideas.
So, until I hear a dolphin give a lecture on
ultrsonic navigation I'm not going to put much
faith in talking to ANY space aliens.
One of the biggest lessons of the new science of
self organization is that every system, or niche
is unique. They all follow the same process of
organization but produce unique results each time.
And most important to remember is that each
unique niche will also produce it's own
unique laws and rules of operation.
Which is why reductionism is so futile for evolving
systems. The attempt to start from physical laws
and extrapolate out to the whole is useless as
a result. Every instance of emergence requires
new laws and new descriptions.
So for any niche to attempt to communicate or understand
any other niche, whether humans to dolphins or humans
to aliens would be difficult at best.
Well, unless one has a universal translater
ala Star Trek~