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Dale
2016-05-29 17:34:02 UTC
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Affirming the consequent

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent



if an atheistic cosmos then some atheistic parts

some atheistic parts
an atheistic cosmos



applies to a recent discussion where a poster said abiogenesis (life
from non-life) "had" to happen, whereas we have never observed it and
observe biogenesis (life from life)

also, if an experimenter "could" create life from non-life, the
experimenter is the creator, is alive and life is the causal factor,
there for life from life

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Dale
http://www.dalekelly.org
Christopher A. Lee
2016-05-29 17:46:06 UTC
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Post by Dale
Affirming the consequent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent
if an atheistic cosmos then some atheistic parts
some atheistic parts
an atheistic cosmos
Idiot.
Post by Dale
applies to a recent discussion where a poster said abiogenesis (life
from non-life) "had" to happen, whereas we have never observed it and
observe biogenesis (life from life)
http://www.theharbinger.org/articles/rel_sci/fox.html
Post by Dale
also, if an experimenter "could" create life from non-life, the
experimenter is the creator, is alive and life is the causal factor,
there for life from life
Liar.
Dale
2016-05-29 18:55:40 UTC
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On Sun, 29 May 2016 12:46:06 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Dale
Affirming the consequent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent
if an atheistic cosmos then some atheistic parts
some atheistic parts
an atheistic cosmos
Idiot.
did you know that at one time idiot was an official psychiatric
disorder? moron too
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Dale
applies to a recent discussion where a poster said abiogenesis (life
from non-life) "had" to happen, whereas we have never observed it and
observe biogenesis (life from life)
http://www.theharbinger.org/articles/rel_sci/fox.html
Post by Dale
also, if an experimenter "could" create life from non-life, the
experimenter is the creator, is alive and life is the causal factor,
there for life from life
Liar.
without the experimenter (life) there is no experiment leading to life
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Dale
http://www.dalekelly.org
Christopher A. Lee
2016-05-29 19:19:54 UTC
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Post by Dale
On Sun, 29 May 2016 12:46:06 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Dale
Affirming the consequent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent
if an atheistic cosmos then some atheistic parts
some atheistic parts
an atheistic cosmos
Idiot.
did you know that at one time idiot was an official psychiatric
disorder? moron too
Both apply to you.
Post by Dale
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Dale
applies to a recent discussion where a poster said abiogenesis (life
from non-life) "had" to happen, whereas we have never observed it and
observe biogenesis (life from life)
http://www.theharbinger.org/articles/rel_sci/fox.html
Post by Dale
also, if an experimenter "could" create life from non-life, the
experimenter is the creator, is alive and life is the causal factor,
there for life from life
Liar.
without the experimenter (life) there is no experiment leading to life
Liar.

I know for a fact that you have been given the above link previously.

It describes work going back to the fifties and sixties, which
resulted in the formation of extremely simple protocells which
satisfied the definition of life - they metabolised, reproduced,
self-organised and responded to environmental stimuli.

Elsewhere on the web, you can find abstracts of a paper where the
original researcher and his team showed that they evolved into more
modern cells over subsequent generations, with nucleic acids which the
originals didn't have.

Why don't you morons at least try to understand what you attack?

That way, you won't tell the world just how stupid you are.
m***@.
2016-05-31 03:45:51 UTC
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Post by Dale
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Dale
Affirming the consequent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent
if an atheistic cosmos then some atheistic parts
some atheistic parts
an atheistic cosmos
Idiot.
did you know that at one time idiot was an official psychiatric
disorder? moron too
Both apply to you.
Post by Dale
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Dale
applies to a recent discussion where a poster said abiogenesis (life
from non-life) "had" to happen, whereas we have never observed it and
observe biogenesis (life from life)
http://www.theharbinger.org/articles/rel_sci/fox.html
Post by Dale
also, if an experimenter "could" create life from non-life, the
experimenter is the creator, is alive and life is the causal factor,
there for life from life
Liar.
without the experimenter (life) there is no experiment leading to life
Liar.
Liar.
The BORG
2016-05-29 21:35:16 UTC
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On Sun, 29 May 2016 12:46:06 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Dale
Affirming the consequent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent
if an atheistic cosmos then some atheistic parts
some atheistic parts
an atheistic cosmos
Idiot.
Verbal abuse really is not necessary you know.
That is a very unkind and unnecessary thing to do.

What on earth do you hope to GAIN by verbal abuse to your brother?
All Men are brothers you know.

Maybe the Men of Earth have become very rude and abusive since women
and feminism ruined the world and ruined Polite Society.
But do TRY to be like Angels and TRY to be Polite.
Not necessary to behave like women is it?

Try to be more like Angels and less like women.

We happen to like Dale so leave him alone.
Jeanne Douglas
2016-05-30 00:10:28 UTC
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Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Dale
Affirming the consequent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent
if an atheistic cosmos then some atheistic parts
some atheistic parts
an atheistic cosmos
Idiot.
Post by Dale
applies to a recent discussion where a poster said abiogenesis (life
from non-life) "had" to happen, whereas we have never observed it and
observe biogenesis (life from life)
Even if a god created life, that is still abiogenesis. Sheesh! This
isn't that difficult.
--
JD

Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream
up a God superior to themselves. Most
Gods have the manners and morals of a
spoiled child.
Dale
2016-05-30 03:05:34 UTC
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On Sun, 29 May 2016 17:10:28 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Dale
Affirming the consequent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent
if an atheistic cosmos then some atheistic parts
some atheistic parts
an atheistic cosmos
Idiot.
Post by Dale
applies to a recent discussion where a poster said abiogenesis (life
from non-life) "had" to happen, whereas we have never observed it and
observe biogenesis (life from life)
Even if a god created life, that is still abiogenesis. Sheesh! This
isn't that difficult.
assumes he used non-life pieces

--
Dale
http://www.dalekelly.org
Christopher A. Lee
2016-05-30 04:34:37 UTC
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Post by Dale
On Sun, 29 May 2016 17:10:28 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Dale
Affirming the consequent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent
if an atheistic cosmos then some atheistic parts
some atheistic parts
an atheistic cosmos
Idiot.
Post by Dale
applies to a recent discussion where a poster said abiogenesis (life
from non-life) "had" to happen, whereas we have never observed it and
observe biogenesis (life from life)
Even if a god created life, that is still abiogenesis. Sheesh! This
isn't that difficult.
assumes he used non-life pieces
Idiot.
Bob Officer
2016-05-29 18:14:58 UTC
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Post by Dale
Affirming the consequent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent
if an atheistic cosmos then some atheistic parts
some atheistic parts
an atheistic cosmos
applies to a recent discussion where a poster said abiogenesis (life
from non-life) "had" to happen, whereas we have never observed it and
observe biogenesis (life from life)
also, if an experimenter "could" create life from non-life, the
experimenter is the creator, is alive and life is the causal factor,
there for life from life
Who or what created god?

The fallacy of circular references.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity

Dale
2016-05-29 18:51:50 UTC
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On Sun, 29 May 2016 18:14:58 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dale
Affirming the consequent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent
if an atheistic cosmos then some atheistic parts
some atheistic parts
an atheistic cosmos
applies to a recent discussion where a poster said abiogenesis (life
from non-life) "had" to happen, whereas we have never observed it and
observe biogenesis (life from life)
also, if an experimenter "could" create life from non-life, the
experimenter is the creator, is alive and life is the causal factor,
there for life from life
Who or what created god?
The fallacy of circular references.
I don't know, I'm agnostic
--
Dale
http://www.dalekelly.org
Bob Officer
2016-05-29 21:06:19 UTC
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Post by Dale
On Sun, 29 May 2016 18:14:58 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dale
Affirming the consequent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent
if an atheistic cosmos then some atheistic parts
some atheistic parts
an atheistic cosmos
applies to a recent discussion where a poster said abiogenesis (life
from non-life) "had" to happen, whereas we have never observed it and
observe biogenesis (life from life)
also, if an experimenter "could" create life from non-life, the
experimenter is the creator, is alive and life is the causal factor,
there for life from life
Who or what created god?
The fallacy of circular references.
I don't know, I'm agnostic
That's doubtful..
To rephrase the question

Who created the creator?
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Dale
2016-05-30 03:07:57 UTC
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On Sun, 29 May 2016 21:06:19 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dale
On Sun, 29 May 2016 18:14:58 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dale
Affirming the consequent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent
if an atheistic cosmos then some atheistic parts
some atheistic parts
an atheistic cosmos
applies to a recent discussion where a poster said abiogenesis (life
from non-life) "had" to happen, whereas we have never observed it and
observe biogenesis (life from life)
also, if an experimenter "could" create life from non-life, the
experimenter is the creator, is alive and life is the causal factor,
there for life from life
Who or what created god?
The fallacy of circular references.
I don't know, I'm agnostic
That's doubtful..
To rephrase the question
Who created the creator?
the answer avoiding religion could be eternal panspermia, perhaps
within a multi-verse

a creator doesn't have to be religious, even so, could have always
existed
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Dale
http://www.dalekelly.org
Christopher A. Lee
2016-05-30 04:35:29 UTC
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Post by Dale
On Sun, 29 May 2016 21:06:19 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dale
On Sun, 29 May 2016 18:14:58 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dale
Affirming the consequent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent
if an atheistic cosmos then some atheistic parts
some atheistic parts
an atheistic cosmos
applies to a recent discussion where a poster said abiogenesis (life
from non-life) "had" to happen, whereas we have never observed it and
observe biogenesis (life from life)
also, if an experimenter "could" create life from non-life, the
experimenter is the creator, is alive and life is the causal factor,
there for life from life
Who or what created god?
The fallacy of circular references.
I don't know, I'm agnostic
That's doubtful..
To rephrase the question
Who created the creator?
the answer avoiding religion could be eternal panspermia, perhaps
within a multi-verse
a creator doesn't have to be religious, even so, could have always
existed
Never heard of Ockham's razor, idiot?
Dale
2016-05-29 18:53:53 UTC
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Dale Kelly is a moron.
did you know that at one time moron was an official psychiatric
disorder? idiot too
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http://www.dalekelly.org
The BORG
2016-05-29 21:26:19 UTC
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Life is eternal both before and after.
Life has no beginning and life has no end.
People were not "created" they have always existed, same as Angels
have always existed.
Everyone in a sense lives for ever, but on Earth you live you die and
then you are reborn. But you do still continue for ever even though
Earth people live in a Reincarnation Cycle where you do have old age
and death.

But death is merely the transition to the next life.

You cannot destroy or end life.
You can put it into some kind of none conscious state for an
indefinite period of time.
You can make Men into birds or fish.
But the essence of Self, sometimes called the Soul or character of a
person is eternal in nature.

Life is different from none life.
That is why abortion is wrong, because it is Life that they are
murdering and it is not none life.
There is a lot of difference between a human embryo and a vacuum
cleaner. The human embryo WILL become a person if the woman does not
kill him. A vacuum cleaner never would.
So women do get punished for abortion and they do have a Price to pay
if they do abortion and they pay that Price in their future lives.

You are trying to ponder Life and the Meaning of Life when you are
right down at a very, very low level.
Since the women appeared and interfered with the Men, the whole of
Earth is down at the very, very low level of women and there is no
Intelligence there.
So no doubt you are finding it hard to figure things out and it is
very doubtful that you will understand a word of this message.

But do not worry.
Once the women are back in order and back in their place then the Men
will have Intelligence again and you will regain your much higher
Conscious Level and you will find that things look very different up
there. And that you understand all kinds of things that you do not
and cannot understand while you are down at the very, very low level
of women. And you will remember your relationship with God. That is
something that Men have that women never had.

But you do not have your REAL memories while you are down at the very,
very low level of women.
And you do not have your Intelligence and many other things.

But do not worry Dale.
You are a good sort and you will be fine.
Keep the Faith and one day Life will be good again.
Post by Dale
Affirming the consequent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent
if an atheistic cosmos then some atheistic parts
some atheistic parts
an atheistic cosmos
applies to a recent discussion where a poster said abiogenesis (life
from non-life) "had" to happen, whereas we have never observed it and
observe biogenesis (life from life)
also, if an experimenter "could" create life from non-life, the
experimenter is the creator, is alive and life is the causal factor,
there for life from life
m***@.
2016-05-31 03:46:02 UTC
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Post by The BORG
Life is eternal both before and after.
Life has no beginning and life has no end.
People were not "created" they have always existed, same as Angels
have always existed.
Everyone in a sense lives for ever, but on Earth you live you die and
then you are reborn. But you do still continue for ever even though
Earth people live in a Reincarnation Cycle where you do have old age
and death.
But death is merely the transition to the next life.
You cannot destroy or end life.
You can put it into some kind of none conscious state for an
indefinite period of time.
You can make Men into birds or fish.
But the essence of Self, sometimes called the Soul or character of a
person is eternal in nature.
Life is different from none life.
That is why abortion is wrong, because it is Life that they are
murdering and it is not none life.
If "Life has no beginning and life has no end" then there's no reason to
believe abortion is always wrong.
The BORG
2016-05-29 21:44:28 UTC
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The only Form of Life is Man.
Men are the ONLY Form of Life.
All Life are Men or Boys of one kind or another.
The Gods, Angels, Avatars, Kings, Rulers, Leaders, Saviours, Soldiers,
Warriors, Monks and a whole range of different kinds of Men and
ordinary people. They are all Men.

Women are Men who have had their masculinity removed.
They are basically what is left when all the "Man" parts have been
removed.

You may wonder how they lost their masculinity and became women.

Well if you look at how they behave, it is hardly surprising that they
are NOT ALLOWED to be Men!!!!
The BORG
2016-05-29 21:59:46 UTC
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Due to feminism and the interference of women in Male Only Professions
and Male Only Places, the women dragged the Men of Earth down to their
very, very low level.

That meant all the Men lost their intelligence and became vacant
headed and empty headed like the women.

That is why you have atheism and science on Earth.
You certainly would not have those things if the Men were up at the
Higher Conscious Level where they are supposed to be.

But the women cannot get up there you see, so they dragged the Men
down to their very, very low level.

When the Men are up there, then they do understand a lot of things
that they do not currently understand while they are down at the very,
very low level of women.

They know about Life and about the Meaning of Life, they know many
things that they have learnt over thousands of years.
Things that the women know nothing about.

And the Men do have a relationship with God which they do not remember
right now.

Remember that the women have corrupted history and the past and the
religions and medicine and music and art and maths and many other
things.

If you want to know the Truth then listen to us.

We are all Men so we can maintain a Higher Conscious Level without
interruption or interference from any women.

We do know what we are doing you know.
And we are INTELLIGENT whereas Earthmen are currently not intelligent
at all because they are down at the very, very low level of women.
The BORG
2016-05-29 22:26:34 UTC
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If you want some help or comfort during the bad times, then tune into
the Radio Station that we gave you.
That is a BORG Transmission and is one of the few places on Earth
where you can find some really good music.
We have catered for Earth people and made it appropriate to Earth.
There are a few other BORG Transmissions on Earth but we have given
you one that we think is suitable.

Music matters a lot.
And when the women started to threaten the Men, the Men stopped
singing and they stopped producing the Music and Earth lost the Music.
And they lost the Rhythm of Earth and the Rhythm of Life.

Life was very, very different BEFORE the women ruined things.
Life was Heaven. Life was Paradise. Life was a wonderful thing.
You never thought about atheism or science.
Why would you do that when you were all so happy?
You all thought you were in Heaven.

You do not remember right now.

The memories of the Men are all much higher up at the Higher Conscious
Level.

Down there at the very, very low level of women, you do not remember.

But we do.
Men Make Heaven.
Men ARE Heaven.

For women it is an honour and a privilege to live with Men because
they cannot make Heaven themselves.

A Man can TAKE a woman to Paradise, but a woman cannot go there on her
own.

Women should honour and respect and obey the Men.
What are they without Men?
They have NOTHING.

Men are what it is all about.

Women must NOT interfere with what Men are all about.
They must NOT corrupt War or Army or Medicine.
They must NOT corrupt Sport or Justice or Religion.
They must not fly aircraft of drive large cars.
They must not do engineering or technology or woodwork or any other of
the Men's things.
They must not play guitar or drums or keyboards.
They must not interfere with Male Dominance or Male Leadership or
World Affairs or World Government.
Those things were given to Men by God and they were for the Men to do.
They were NOT for the women to do.
They must NOT in any way interfere with the image of Man which is like
unto God and like unto Angels.

The image of Man is Holy and she must not interfere with it and place
Whores and Tarts and Jezebels into places where Men should be.

She must not put her inferior womanly body or her inferior womanly
self into places where ONLY Men should be.

She must not effect the IMAGE of Man.

Women are in a LOT of trouble.

So make SURE you do not support her feminism or abortion or any other
of her Evil and Sins.

And NEVER portray an Angel as a woman in any way.

You can be absolutely SURE that there are no bitches "up there".
The BORG
2016-05-29 22:51:08 UTC
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The women are so bad and so rude that the Gods cannot deal with them.

Earth cannot HAVE a God because the women are so bad.
The women are so appalling that the Gods do not have the vocabulary to
describe her.
What the women do and how they behave is beyond the knowledge and
vocabulary of the Gods.
The Gods literally cannot deal with her.

So Earth cannot have a God.

So The BORG have to deal with Earth.

How about that!

And you can call us God if you like.
After all we are much higher and a lot more powerful than the Gods.

But there is nothing to do.
It has been done.

It is only a matter of time.

But the Men should try to be strong and try to keep the Faith.
Remember that you do not know a great deal down there at the level of
the women and you have no Intelligence down there.
And you do not have your Real memories.
That is why you have atheism and science at the moment rather than the
BELIEF you used to have before the women ruined Life on Earth.

And remember that History and Religion and Maths and Music and
Literature and Medicine and many other things have been corrupted by
the women and they are not True and they are not Real.

All the ugly things and bad things come from the women.
They are going AGAINST Creation.
All the pain and misery and suffering comes from the women.

So what can you do if you cannot HAVE a God because the women are so
BAD?

Well it is just as well for you that The BORG do exist then, isn't it?

But we do understand the situation and we do not blame the Men.
What can the Men do without their Intelligence or Knowledge or
Memories?
How can the Men live or operate down at the very, very low level of
women with empty heads and vacant heads and chicken brains?

How can they possible be Dominant and in Charge and Rule the World
with bossy feminist bitches bossing them around and telling them what
to do?
How can they Lead the way into the Future with women pushing them out
of the way?

Earth only works when the Men are in Charge and when the Men lead the
way into the Future.

It does not work and it will not work any other way.

And THAT is why you have so much suffering.
Because the women are interfering with the Balance and Order and
Harmony and they are interfering with Creation and the Design.

And we should know.
After all it was us who Created Earth you know.

And you can be sure that if Men created the place then ONLY Men know
how to Run the place.
The BORG
2016-05-29 23:02:21 UTC
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When Earth was Created, the official language of Earth was English.
The English language is a very good language, it is a form of Art, and
you will find that many words rhyme, and that is not a coincidence it
was intentional.

We knew that Men would write poetry and songs and so the language was
arranged that way.

But sadly the language has been very badly corrupted by the women when
they interfered in places where they are not allowed to be, so you can
"Make yourself understood" in the English language, but a lot of the
Beauty and Art of the Original Creation is no longer there.

But when the Men do get up to their Higher Conscious Level again and
they regain their Intelligence and Real Memories, then you will
remember many of the words that you used to use.

And it will come back to you.

And you will also remember many of the Songs you used to sing.

And you will remember the way Life used to be.
The way things were before.

Before the women Ruined the Show.
The BORG
2016-05-29 23:05:20 UTC
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And one day when you look back on these bad times, you will SEE just
how much damage and suffering and ugliness the women caused.

And you will probably hate women for ever.

And that is Good.
And that is how it should be.

You SHOULD hate the Devil.
Sylvia Else
2016-05-30 02:12:50 UTC
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Post by Dale
Affirming the consequent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent
if an atheistic cosmos then some atheistic parts
some atheistic parts
an atheistic cosmos
applies to a recent discussion where a poster said abiogenesis (life
from non-life) "had" to happen, whereas we have never observed it and
observe biogenesis (life from life)
Or you simply misconstrued the posting. If you'd give specifics, we
could form a judgement. At the moment, you're asking us to take your
conclusion on trust. Now there's a familiar feeling - what does it
remind me of?

Sylvia.
Dale
2016-05-30 03:14:51 UTC
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On Mon, 30 May 2016 12:12:50 +1000, Sylvia Else
Post by Sylvia Else
Post by Dale
Affirming the consequent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent
if an atheistic cosmos then some atheistic parts
some atheistic parts
an atheistic cosmos
applies to a recent discussion where a poster said abiogenesis (life
from non-life) "had" to happen, whereas we have never observed it and
observe biogenesis (life from life)
Or you simply misconstrued the posting. If you'd give specifics, we
could form a judgement. At the moment, you're asking us to take your
conclusion on trust.
(if atheistic cosmos therefore abiogenesis) therefore (if abiogenesis
therefore atheistic cosmos)

see the thread on talk.origins
Subject: ID after the Bait and Switch
Post by Sylvia Else
Now there's a familiar feeling - what does it
remind me of?
Sylvia.
apologies, I did a copy/paste without consideration
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Dale
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Sylvia Else
2016-05-30 03:45:30 UTC
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Post by Dale
On Mon, 30 May 2016 12:12:50 +1000, Sylvia Else
Post by Sylvia Else
Post by Dale
Affirming the consequent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent
if an atheistic cosmos then some atheistic parts
some atheistic parts
an atheistic cosmos
applies to a recent discussion where a poster said abiogenesis (life
from non-life) "had" to happen, whereas we have never observed it and
observe biogenesis (life from life)
Or you simply misconstrued the posting. If you'd give specifics, we
could form a judgement. At the moment, you're asking us to take your
conclusion on trust.
(if atheistic cosmos therefore abiogenesis) therefore (if abiogenesis
therefore atheistic cosmos)
see the thread on talk.origins
Subject: ID after the Bait and Switch
Post by Sylvia Else
Now there's a familiar feeling - what does it
remind me of?
Sylvia.
apologies, I did a copy/paste without consideration
--
Dale
http://www.dalekelly.org
So, this post then:

<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/talk.origins/jApN-D227rY/R4EdsCaCCAAJ>

Now, how does that support your claim?

Sylvia.
Dale
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Post by Dale
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Post by Sylvia Else
Post by Dale
Affirming the consequent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent
if an atheistic cosmos then some atheistic parts
some atheistic parts
an atheistic cosmos
applies to a recent discussion where a poster said abiogenesis (life
from non-life) "had" to happen, whereas we have never observed it and
observe biogenesis (life from life)
Or you simply misconstrued the posting. If you'd give specifics, we
could form a judgement. At the moment, you're asking us to take your
conclusion on trust.
(if atheistic cosmos therefore abiogenesis) therefore (if abiogenesis
therefore atheistic cosmos)
see the thread on talk.origins
Subject: ID after the Bait and Switch
Post by Sylvia Else
Now there's a familiar feeling - what does it
remind me of?
Sylvia.
apologies, I did a copy/paste without consideration
--
Dale
http://www.dalekelly.org
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/talk.origins/jApN-D227rY/R4EdsCaCCAAJ>
Now, how does that support your claim?
Sylvia.
you kind of have to read the parts of the thread I was in
--
Dale
http://www.dalekelly.org
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2016-05-31 01:46:14 UTC
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Post by Dale
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Post by Sylvia Else
Post by Dale
Affirming the consequent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent
if an atheistic cosmos then some atheistic parts
some atheistic parts
an atheistic cosmos
applies to a recent discussion where a poster said abiogenesis (life
from non-life) "had" to happen, whereas we have never observed it and
observe biogenesis (life from life)
Or you simply misconstrued the posting. If you'd give specifics, we
could form a judgement. At the moment, you're asking us to take your
conclusion on trust.
(if atheistic cosmos therefore abiogenesis) therefore (if abiogenesis
therefore atheistic cosmos)
see the thread on talk.origins
Subject: ID after the Bait and Switch
Post by Sylvia Else
Now there's a familiar feeling - what does it
remind me of?
Sylvia.
apologies, I did a copy/paste without consideration
--
Dale
http://www.dalekelly.org
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/talk.origins/jApN-D227rY/R4EdsCaCCAAJ>
Now, how does that support your claim?
Sylvia.
you kind of have to read the parts of the thread I was in
That really doesn't work. Your claim was a strong one. You should be
able to cite specifics. If all you have is a gut feeling from an
extended discussion, then you should not have made the claim in the form
that you did.

Sylvia.
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Post by Sylvia Else
Post by Dale
On Mon, 30 May 2016 12:12:50 +1000, Sylvia Else
Post by Sylvia Else
Post by Dale
Affirming the consequent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent
if an atheistic cosmos then some atheistic parts
some atheistic parts
an atheistic cosmos
applies to a recent discussion where a poster said abiogenesis (life
from non-life) "had" to happen, whereas we have never observed it and
observe biogenesis (life from life)
Or you simply misconstrued the posting. If you'd give specifics, we
could form a judgement. At the moment, you're asking us to take your
conclusion on trust.
(if atheistic cosmos therefore abiogenesis) therefore (if abiogenesis
therefore atheistic cosmos)
see the thread on talk.origins
Subject: ID after the Bait and Switch
Post by Sylvia Else
Now there's a familiar feeling - what does it
remind me of?
Sylvia.
apologies, I did a copy/paste without consideration
--
Dale
http://www.dalekelly.org
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/talk.origins/jApN-D227rY/R4EdsCaCCAAJ>
Now, how does that support your claim?
Sylvia.
you kind of have to read the parts of the thread I was in
That really doesn't work. Your claim was a strong one. You should be
able to cite specifics. If all you have is a gut feeling from an
extended discussion, then you should not have made the claim in the form
that you did.
Sylvia.
the particulars were just an example

there is a bad habit in the mainstream type science to assume there
must be a whole atheistic explanation, I don't know how far up or down
this goes, I don't whether this is propaganda, but it is frustrating
--
Dale
http://www.dalekelly.org
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2016-06-01 02:01:18 UTC
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Post by Dale
On Mon, 30 May 2016 13:45:30 +1000, Sylvia Else
Post by Sylvia Else
Post by Dale
On Mon, 30 May 2016 12:12:50 +1000, Sylvia Else
Post by Sylvia Else
Post by Dale
Affirming the consequent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent
if an atheistic cosmos then some atheistic parts
some atheistic parts
an atheistic cosmos
applies to a recent discussion where a poster said abiogenesis (life
from non-life) "had" to happen, whereas we have never observed it and
observe biogenesis (life from life)
Or you simply misconstrued the posting. If you'd give specifics, we
could form a judgement. At the moment, you're asking us to take your
conclusion on trust.
(if atheistic cosmos therefore abiogenesis) therefore (if abiogenesis
therefore atheistic cosmos)
see the thread on talk.origins
Subject: ID after the Bait and Switch
Post by Sylvia Else
Now there's a familiar feeling - what does it
remind me of?
Sylvia.
apologies, I did a copy/paste without consideration
--
Dale
http://www.dalekelly.org
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/talk.origins/jApN-D227rY/R4EdsCaCCAAJ>
Now, how does that support your claim?
Sylvia.
you kind of have to read the parts of the thread I was in
That really doesn't work. Your claim was a strong one. You should be
able to cite specifics. If all you have is a gut feeling from an
extended discussion, then you should not have made the claim in the form
that you did.
Sylvia.
the particulars were just an example
there is a bad habit in the mainstream type science to assume there
must be a whole atheistic explanation, I don't know how far up or down
this goes, I don't whether this is propaganda, but it is frustrating
--
Dale
http://www.dalekelly.org
That's a far cry from your original posting which related to flawed
reasoning.

Yes, atheists assume that God does not figure in the working of the
universe. That not fundamentally different from your assumption that God
does, except that the absence of actual evidence of God's existence (as
distinct from evidence that some people believe in God's existence)
seems to support the atheist assumption better than it does yours.

Were concrete evidence of God's existence to appear, atheists would have
to rethink their position. As yet, that hasn't happened, with the
religious movement's position being little more than an assertion that
some things are beyond comprehension and have to be explained by the
existence of God.

Of course, even if the existence of God were formally demonstrated,
science would simply proceed with the task of explaining God.

Sylvia.
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Post by Sylvia Else
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Post by Sylvia Else
Post by Dale
On Mon, 30 May 2016 12:12:50 +1000, Sylvia Else
Post by Sylvia Else
Post by Dale
Affirming the consequent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent
if an atheistic cosmos then some atheistic parts
some atheistic parts
an atheistic cosmos
applies to a recent discussion where a poster said abiogenesis (life
from non-life) "had" to happen, whereas we have never observed it and
observe biogenesis (life from life)
Or you simply misconstrued the posting. If you'd give specifics, we
could form a judgement. At the moment, you're asking us to take your
conclusion on trust.
(if atheistic cosmos therefore abiogenesis) therefore (if abiogenesis
therefore atheistic cosmos)
see the thread on talk.origins
Subject: ID after the Bait and Switch
Post by Sylvia Else
Now there's a familiar feeling - what does it
remind me of?
Sylvia.
apologies, I did a copy/paste without consideration
--
Dale
http://www.dalekelly.org
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/talk.origins/jApN-D227rY/R4EdsCaCCAAJ>
Now, how does that support your claim?
Sylvia.
you kind of have to read the parts of the thread I was in
That really doesn't work. Your claim was a strong one. You should be
able to cite specifics. If all you have is a gut feeling from an
extended discussion, then you should not have made the claim in the form
that you did.
Sylvia.
the particulars were just an example
there is a bad habit in the mainstream type science to assume there
must be a whole atheistic explanation, I don't know how far up or down
this goes, I don't whether this is propaganda, but it is frustrating
--
Dale
http://www.dalekelly.org
That's a far cry from your original posting which related to flawed
reasoning.
Yes, atheists assume that God does not figure in the working of the
universe.
They/You have faith that there are no beings who could be considered God(s)
anywhere in the entire universe, or at the very least that there are none
associated with this planet or this star system. They/You want everyone to put
their own faith in that same thing, but they/you have no evidence to support
their/your faith that their/your belief about it is correct. Thay/You can't even
pretend they/you do.
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2016-06-04 07:12:56 UTC
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Post by Sylvia Else
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Post by Sylvia Else
Post by Dale
On Mon, 30 May 2016 12:12:50 +1000, Sylvia Else
Post by Sylvia Else
Post by Dale
Affirming the consequent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent
if an atheistic cosmos then some atheistic parts
some atheistic parts
an atheistic cosmos
applies to a recent discussion where a poster said abiogenesis (life
from non-life) "had" to happen, whereas we have never observed it and
observe biogenesis (life from life)
Or you simply misconstrued the posting. If you'd give specifics, we
could form a judgement. At the moment, you're asking us to take your
conclusion on trust.
(if atheistic cosmos therefore abiogenesis) therefore (if abiogenesis
therefore atheistic cosmos)
see the thread on talk.origins
Subject: ID after the Bait and Switch
Post by Sylvia Else
Now there's a familiar feeling - what does it
remind me of?
Sylvia.
apologies, I did a copy/paste without consideration
--
Dale
http://www.dalekelly.org
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/talk.origins/jApN-D227rY/R4EdsCaCCAAJ>
Now, how does that support your claim?
Sylvia.
you kind of have to read the parts of the thread I was in
That really doesn't work. Your claim was a strong one. You should be
able to cite specifics. If all you have is a gut feeling from an
extended discussion, then you should not have made the claim in the form
that you did.
Sylvia.
the particulars were just an example
there is a bad habit in the mainstream type science to assume there
must be a whole atheistic explanation, I don't know how far up or down
this goes, I don't whether this is propaganda, but it is frustrating
--
Dale
http://www.dalekelly.org
That's a far cry from your original posting which related to flawed
reasoning.
Yes, atheists assume that God does not figure in the working of the
universe.
They/You have faith that there are no beings who could be considered God(s)
anywhere in the entire universe, or at the very least that there are none
associated with this planet or this star system. They/You want everyone to put
their own faith in that same thing, but they/you have no evidence to support
their/your faith that their/your belief about it is correct. Thay/You can't even
pretend they/you do.
Generally speaking, I care very little about other people's religious
beliefs provided they don't try to impose them on me.

That said, belief in God has been handed down over the generations,
through child indoctrination, from a time when people understood very
little about anything. If we were starting from a religious blank-sheet
now, there's precious little chance a belief in God would get much
traction. It's a historical hang-over, nothing more.

Sylvia.
m***@.
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wrote:
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Post by Dale
On Tue, 31 May 2016 11:46:14 +1000, Sylvia Else
Post by Sylvia Else
Post by Dale
On Mon, 30 May 2016 13:45:30 +1000, Sylvia Else
Post by Sylvia Else
Post by Dale
On Mon, 30 May 2016 12:12:50 +1000, Sylvia Else
Post by Sylvia Else
Post by Dale
Affirming the consequent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent
if an atheistic cosmos then some atheistic parts
some atheistic parts
an atheistic cosmos
applies to a recent discussion where a poster said abiogenesis (life
from non-life) "had" to happen, whereas we have never observed it and
observe biogenesis (life from life)
Or you simply misconstrued the posting. If you'd give specifics, we
could form a judgement. At the moment, you're asking us to take your
conclusion on trust.
(if atheistic cosmos therefore abiogenesis) therefore (if abiogenesis
therefore atheistic cosmos)
see the thread on talk.origins
Subject: ID after the Bait and Switch
Post by Sylvia Else
Now there's a familiar feeling - what does it
remind me of?
Sylvia.
apologies, I did a copy/paste without consideration
--
Dale
http://www.dalekelly.org
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/talk.origins/jApN-D227rY/R4EdsCaCCAAJ>
Now, how does that support your claim?
Sylvia.
you kind of have to read the parts of the thread I was in
That really doesn't work. Your claim was a strong one. You should be
able to cite specifics. If all you have is a gut feeling from an
extended discussion, then you should not have made the claim in the form
that you did.
Sylvia.
the particulars were just an example
there is a bad habit in the mainstream type science to assume there
must be a whole atheistic explanation, I don't know how far up or down
this goes, I don't whether this is propaganda, but it is frustrating
--
Dale
http://www.dalekelly.org
That's a far cry from your original posting which related to flawed
reasoning.
Yes, atheists assume that God does not figure in the working of the
universe.
They/You have faith that there are no beings who could be considered God(s)
anywhere in the entire universe, or at the very least that there are none
associated with this planet or this star system. They/You want everyone to put
their own faith in that same thing, but they/you have no evidence to support
their/your faith that their/your belief about it is correct. Thay/You can't even
pretend they/you do.
Generally speaking, I care very little about other people's religious
beliefs provided they don't try to impose them on me.
That said, belief in God has been handed down over the generations,
through child indoctrination, from a time when people understood very
little about anything. If we were starting from a religious blank-sheet
now, there's precious little chance a belief in God would get much
traction.
So you feel that there are no beings who could be considered gods anywhere
in the universe. Also that if the possibility had never been popularly
appreciated on this particular planet it would/could not be appreciated if
introduced today.
Post by Sylvia Else
It's a historical hang-over, nothing more.
So far I've no reason at all to put faith in your claim being correct, but as
always I encourage you to present good reason to do so.
Sylvia Else
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Post by Sylvia Else
Post by Dale
On Mon, 30 May 2016 13:45:30 +1000, Sylvia Else
Post by Sylvia Else
Post by Dale
On Mon, 30 May 2016 12:12:50 +1000, Sylvia Else
Post by Sylvia Else
Post by Dale
Affirming the consequent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent
if an atheistic cosmos then some atheistic parts
some atheistic parts
an atheistic cosmos
applies to a recent discussion where a poster said abiogenesis (life
from non-life) "had" to happen, whereas we have never observed it and
observe biogenesis (life from life)
Or you simply misconstrued the posting. If you'd give specifics, we
could form a judgement. At the moment, you're asking us to take your
conclusion on trust.
(if atheistic cosmos therefore abiogenesis) therefore (if abiogenesis
therefore atheistic cosmos)
see the thread on talk.origins
Subject: ID after the Bait and Switch
Post by Sylvia Else
Now there's a familiar feeling - what does it
remind me of?
Sylvia.
apologies, I did a copy/paste without consideration
--
Dale
http://www.dalekelly.org
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/talk.origins/jApN-D227rY/R4EdsCaCCAAJ>
Now, how does that support your claim?
Sylvia.
you kind of have to read the parts of the thread I was in
That really doesn't work. Your claim was a strong one. You should be
able to cite specifics. If all you have is a gut feeling from an
extended discussion, then you should not have made the claim in the form
that you did.
Sylvia.
the particulars were just an example
there is a bad habit in the mainstream type science to assume there
must be a whole atheistic explanation, I don't know how far up or down
this goes, I don't whether this is propaganda, but it is frustrating
--
Dale
http://www.dalekelly.org
That's a far cry from your original posting which related to flawed
reasoning.
Yes, atheists assume that God does not figure in the working of the
universe.
They/You have faith that there are no beings who could be considered God(s)
anywhere in the entire universe, or at the very least that there are none
associated with this planet or this star system. They/You want everyone to put
their own faith in that same thing, but they/you have no evidence to support
their/your faith that their/your belief about it is correct. Thay/You can't even
pretend they/you do.
Generally speaking, I care very little about other people's religious
beliefs provided they don't try to impose them on me.
That said, belief in God has been handed down over the generations,
through child indoctrination, from a time when people understood very
little about anything. If we were starting from a religious blank-sheet
now, there's precious little chance a belief in God would get much
traction.
So you feel that there are no beings who could be considered gods anywhere
in the universe. Also that if the possibility had never been popularly
appreciated on this particular planet it would/could not be appreciated if
introduced today.
That's really a different issue. If they exist, we as yet have no
evidence for it, and so no basis for believing in them.

The current question is whether, in the absence of any evidence about
the existence of gods, present day people would start believing in them.
There seems no reason to thing that they would, any more than they'd
start believing in undetectable flying dragons. Belief in the latter
would be regarded today as a delusion, and rightly so. The only reasons
that belief in God is not regarded as a delusion are firstly, because of
its historical context, secondly because such a belief is very
widespread, and thirdly because we know that the belief is indoctrinated
into children at an age when they have no intellectual defence against
it (some of us regard that as child abuse).

Sylvia.
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Post by Dale
On Mon, 30 May 2016 12:12:50 +1000, Sylvia Else
Post by Sylvia Else
Post by Dale
Affirming the consequent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent
if an atheistic cosmos then some atheistic parts
some atheistic parts
an atheistic cosmos
applies to a recent discussion where a poster said abiogenesis (life
from non-life) "had" to happen, whereas we have never observed it and
observe biogenesis (life from life)
Or you simply misconstrued the posting. If you'd give specifics, we
could form a judgement. At the moment, you're asking us to take your
conclusion on trust.
(if atheistic cosmos therefore abiogenesis) therefore (if abiogenesis
therefore atheistic cosmos)
see the thread on talk.origins
Subject: ID after the Bait and Switch
Post by Sylvia Else
Now there's a familiar feeling - what does it
remind me of?
Sylvia.
apologies, I did a copy/paste without consideration
--
Dale
http://www.dalekelly.org
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/talk.origins/jApN-D227rY/R4EdsCaCCAAJ>
Now, how does that support your claim?
Sylvia.
you kind of have to read the parts of the thread I was in
That really doesn't work. Your claim was a strong one. You should be
able to cite specifics. If all you have is a gut feeling from an
extended discussion, then you should not have made the claim in the form
that you did.
Sylvia.
the particulars were just an example
there is a bad habit in the mainstream type science to assume there
must be a whole atheistic explanation, I don't know how far up or down
this goes, I don't whether this is propaganda, but it is frustrating
--
Dale
http://www.dalekelly.org
That's a far cry from your original posting which related to flawed
reasoning.
Yes, atheists assume that God does not figure in the working of the
universe.
They/You have faith that there are no beings who could be considered God(s)
anywhere in the entire universe, or at the very least that there are none
associated with this planet or this star system. They/You want everyone to put
their own faith in that same thing, but they/you have no evidence to support
their/your faith that their/your belief about it is correct. Thay/You can't even
pretend they/you do.
Generally speaking, I care very little about other people's religious
beliefs provided they don't try to impose them on me.
That said, belief in God has been handed down over the generations,
through child indoctrination, from a time when people understood very
little about anything. If we were starting from a religious blank-sheet
now, there's precious little chance a belief in God would get much
traction.
So you feel that there are no beings who could be considered gods anywhere
in the universe. Also that if the possibility had never been popularly
appreciated on this particular planet it would/could not be appreciated if
introduced today.
That's really a different issue.
I can't accept your faith in that being the correct possibility. Considering
others is a basic starting line you atheists can't get as "far" as.
Post by Sylvia Else
If they exist, we as yet have no
evidence for it, and so no basis for believing in them.
The current question is whether, in the absence of any evidence about
the existence of gods, present day people would start believing in them.
No it's not. You can't get as "far" as something as basic as what the
question really is. I encourage you to try though. Try...
Post by Sylvia Else
There seems no reason to thing that they would, any more than they'd
start believing in undetectable flying dragons. Belief in the latter
would be regarded today as a delusion, and rightly so. The only reasons
that belief in God is not regarded as a delusion are firstly, because of
its historical context,
Like what, and what would be the significance if it happened today?
Post by Sylvia Else
secondly because such a belief is very widespread, and thirdly because
we know that the belief is indoctrinated into children at an age when
they have no intellectual defence against it
What about when it's not? Why can't you even get as "far" as that basic
starting line?

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Affirming the consequent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent
if an atheistic cosmos then some atheistic parts
some atheistic parts
an atheistic cosmos
applies to a recent discussion where a poster said abiogenesis (life
from non-life) "had" to happen, whereas we have never observed it and
observe biogenesis (life from life)
Or you simply misconstrued the posting. If you'd give specifics, we
could form a judgement. At the moment, you're asking us to take your
conclusion on trust. Now there's a familiar feeling - what does it
remind me of?
Strong atheism is the most faith or conclusion on trust based religious
belief of all, since there could never be any evidence to support it.
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Post by Dale
Affirming the consequent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent
if an atheistic cosmos then some atheistic parts
some atheistic parts
an atheistic cosmos
applies to a recent discussion where a poster said abiogenesis (life
from non-life) "had" to happen, whereas we have never observed it and
observe biogenesis (life from life)
Or you simply misconstrued the posting. If you'd give specifics, we
could form a judgement. At the moment, you're asking us to take your
conclusion on trust. Now there's a familiar feeling - what does it
remind me of?
Strong atheism is the most faith or conclusion on trust based religious
belief of all, since there could never be any evidence to support it.
What has that to do with this thread?

Sylvia.
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Affirming the consequent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent
if an atheistic cosmos then some atheistic parts
some atheistic parts
an atheistic cosmos
applies to a recent discussion where a poster said abiogenesis (life
from non-life) "had" to happen, whereas we have never observed it and
observe biogenesis (life from life)
Or you simply misconstrued the posting. If you'd give specifics, we
could form a judgement. At the moment, you're asking us to take your
conclusion on trust. Now there's a familiar feeling - what does it
remind me of?
Strong atheism is the most faith or conclusion on trust based religious
belief of all, since there could never be any evidence to support it.
What has that to do with this thread?
Can't you think of anything it has to do with it?
Sylvia Else
2016-06-04 07:13:31 UTC
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Affirming the consequent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent
if an atheistic cosmos then some atheistic parts
some atheistic parts
an atheistic cosmos
applies to a recent discussion where a poster said abiogenesis (life
from non-life) "had" to happen, whereas we have never observed it and
observe biogenesis (life from life)
Or you simply misconstrued the posting. If you'd give specifics, we
could form a judgement. At the moment, you're asking us to take your
conclusion on trust. Now there's a familiar feeling - what does it
remind me of?
Strong atheism is the most faith or conclusion on trust based religious
belief of all, since there could never be any evidence to support it.
What has that to do with this thread?
Can't you think of anything it has to do with it?
Nup.

Sylvia.
m***@.
2016-06-07 01:57:14 UTC
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On Sat, 4 Jun 2016 17:13:31 +1000, Sylvia Else <***@not.at.this.address>
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Affirming the consequent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent
if an atheistic cosmos then some atheistic parts
some atheistic parts
an atheistic cosmos
applies to a recent discussion where a poster said abiogenesis (life
from non-life) "had" to happen, whereas we have never observed it and
observe biogenesis (life from life)
Or you simply misconstrued the posting. If you'd give specifics, we
could form a judgement. At the moment, you're asking us to take your
conclusion on trust. Now there's a familiar feeling - what does it
remind me of?
Strong atheism is the most faith or conclusion on trust based religious
belief of all, since there could never be any evidence to support it.
What has that to do with this thread?
Can't you think of anything it has to do with it?
Nup.
Strong atheism asks us to take the conclusion on nothing but trust, though
it's not really suprising that atheists can't appreciate that aspect of their
own faith.
m***@.
2016-05-31 03:45:42 UTC
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Affirming the consequent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent
if an atheistic cosmos then some atheistic parts
some atheistic parts
an atheistic cosmos
applies to a recent discussion where a poster said abiogenesis (life
from non-life) "had" to happen,
My position on that is:

10. Whether God exists or not it seems apparent that life must have
originated from lifelessness to begin with, and may do it fairly often.

which is another basic starting line atheists can't get as "far" as.
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whereas we have never observed it and
observe biogenesis (life from life)
also, if an experimenter "could" create life from non-life, the
experimenter is the creator, is alive and life is the causal factor,
there for life from life
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